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| Dylanarama Newbie United States Joined 5250 days ago 30 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* | Message 1 of 36 04 November 2010 at 1:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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I have always had major trouble with rolling my Rs and I was wondering how bad it is to not roll Rs in a language where it is usually rolled. Take Italian for an example if I were to speak without the rolled r would people understand me? Also are there any languages that have the same r sound as English speakers do? I can do the R tap thing that is in Turkish and Tagalog but for some reason I just can not do the rolled r.
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| NotKeepingTrack Triglot Newbie United States Joined 4978 days ago 19 posts - 23 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, German | Message 2 of 36 04 November 2010 at 2:26am | IP Logged | |||||
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I can't say "r" properly in any language except English. So I'm curious to know how horrible I sound in French, German and Spanish with English Rs. I TRY, but... it's not happening. French is the easiest, I don't speak German enough for it to matter, but my Spanish Rs sound... well, English. :(
There was just a conversation about this, maybe last week? Look a little further back on the boards.... (sorry, I'm not sure exactly what board it was posted in, but I *think* it was general discussion!) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5037 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 3 of 36 04 November 2010 at 4:31am | IP Logged | |||||
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The less mental adjustments your interlocutor has to make to what he's hearing, the better.
The answer to that question depends on several things: 1) What language will you be trying to speak? Italian, ok... 2) What sound will replace your rolled 'r's when you speak? 3) Is your 'r' replacement sound already present in the language sound system? 4) How competent are you with the other sounds of the language? If your replacement sound always corresponds obviously to an 'r' and that's it, that's ok; but if people have to keep adjusting other things, like 'half this X sounds are supposed to be Rs while the others are Ys' you should work more on it. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Dylanarama Newbie United States Joined 5250 days ago 30 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* | Message 4 of 36 04 November 2010 at 5:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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I am pretty much talking about all languages and I try my best to replace the rolled R with a mix of the d tap sound and an English r(if that makes sense).
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| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5018 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 5 of 36 04 November 2010 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I've found that French people often mishear an English R as an L because it just doesn't sound like an R to them.
I'm sure I've read somewhere, maybe here, that some very upper-class Italians don't roll their Rs, so you might give that impression... 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kounotori Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 5155 days ago 136 posts - 264 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 6 of 36 04 November 2010 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
Can't say for other languages, but in Finnish you'd sound really stupid. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5037 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 7 of 36 04 November 2010 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| argentum Bilingual Triglot Newbie United States Joined 5012 days ago 15 posts - 22 votes Speaks: Russian*, Ukrainian*, English Studies: Italian | Message 8 of 36 05 November 2010 at 4:38am | IP Logged | |||||
From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guttural_R):
... and this is not very far from the truth. Edited by argentum on 05 November 2010 at 4:40am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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