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| Kugel Senior Member United States Joined 6347 days ago 497 posts - 555 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 1 of 64 12 December 2010 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Recently the tuition ceiling in the UK increased from 5,200 USD to 14,200 USD. I don't know if each university has its unique tuition fee rather than just one flat rate fee for all public universities, but wow. I never would've thought that public universities in the US would have lower tuition rates than the UK.
When scouring the google I found it quite amusing to see how the journalists would write about 30,000 USD per year tuition, which is obviously for private universities, in the U.S., completing ignoring the fact that public universities are often higher ranked and at roughly 6,000 to 12,000 USD per year. Also, tax credits can bring it down a few thousand provided the student makes enough money(this applies to full time workers usually). The University of Wisconsin system offers an 80 percent tax rebate for the first 2 years provided the student already pays enough state tax to begin with(this applies to full time workers who can actually pay enough in state taxes). Discuss? Edited by Kugel on 12 December 2010 at 6:24pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5820 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 2 of 64 12 December 2010 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The rise in the upper limit on tuition fees is in England, not the UK. The individual constituent countries have separate education systems.
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| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5843 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 3 of 64 12 December 2010 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Bad news for people in the UK, and also bad news for mid-range universities. Only the top ranking universities will be unaffected, because they target richer students. By the way that change applies only to England, in Scotland the tuition fees are still lower. France is also better choice, given the price. The tuition fees in France are about 200-300 Euro per academic year.
In Eastern Europe it is practically free. However, most universities don't have the international recognition, and also systematically lack resources. There’s no money for equipment, refurbishment of the buildings and what not. I have studied both in Bulgaria and in the UK, and can talk at length about the differences. A higher price is well justified when it results in better teaching. But it is a fine balance, if tuition fees are pushed too far then you lose a lot of talented students. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5458 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 4 of 64 13 December 2010 at 2:17am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. "
— Margaret Thatcher England didn't heed her advice well, did they? 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5273 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 5 of 64 13 December 2010 at 2:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||
The UK hasn't been socialist in any sense of the word (other than the American sense, according to which "socialist" corresponds to "considerably right of center" in European terms) for many decades. As far as I can see, the problem occurred because of the previous Labour government's policy of getting 50% of school leavers into university. This is a pointlessly large amount - no society needs half of its population to be university educated - and has led to many problems. Not only have tuition fees increased as a result, but also jobs that previously did not require a degree now do, there are large numbers of useless so- called Mickey Mouse degrees in things like Events Management and Travel & Tourism, degrees are no longer a route to a good salary, and apprenticeships in specialized trades have almost disappeared. Not much to do with language learning, of course, although cuts will probably lead to the closing of some small language departments, but a big old mess nevertheless. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5035 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 6 of 64 13 December 2010 at 3:16am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm not sure about that policy being the cause of the tuition fees increase (same policy here, but much cheaper fees - probably we have different state-funding policies for universities), but amen to everything else - we have the same or even worse results here: when everyone has a title and Mickeys are regarded as equal to real ones it's like no one had one. Back to square one, only with lots of wasted money and effort along the way. Not a problem if people were conscious of this and only studied what they like, but most do it to try and get an edge. Not to speak about secondary education and even universities being turned into kindergarten extensions... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 5843 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds | Message 7 of 64 13 December 2010 at 6:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't know if 50% is too much or too little, but this policy has nothing to do with the UK debt problems. Anyhow, the debt problem is serious, and so the government decides to cut public funding and rise tuition fees. Wrong! Entry into university should be determined by academic ability, not by the ability to pay extremely high tuition fees. If they really have to cut, let them cut social benefits for example, there is ample material for cutting ^_^'. I very much sympathise with the student protests.
Now, we need a clarification of terms here. The US way of using the word socialism baffles me. In any conventional sense "socialism" is a state where the land is nationalized, private property is abolished (because "la terre n'appartient pas aux hommes"), and people are not allowed to hire other people ('cause that's considered exploiting them). And then you have the other suspect term, "communism". Communism is the utopia/nirvana/dream/impossibility that comes after a period of socialism. It is a state where everybody works according to his/her abilities and receives according to the needs (e.g. a family would receive more than a single person). However, as Thatcher rightly points out, this is an utopia. It is contrary to human nature, and also you run out of money at some point ^_^. And I can't see what this has to do with the price of education. Education should be an universal human right in my opinion. Edited by Sennin on 13 December 2010 at 7:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 4939 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 8 of 64 13 December 2010 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's in large part what the US definition of socialism *should* be, among other "human rights". It's the pundits on TV that make it something evil. R. == 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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