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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5584 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 17 of 41 10 March 2011 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=were http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=was That doesn't yet explain the German forms sein, sind, seid, but I think it does explain the other forms in German as well. Edited by Bao on 10 March 2011 at 2:57pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| cymrotom Tetraglot Groupie United States cymrympls.blogspot.c Joined 4855 days ago 56 posts - 60 votes Speaks: English*, German, Mandarin, Welsh | Message 18 of 41 10 March 2011 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
I believe "bod" does show up in modern Welsh as in "Dw i'n meddwl mod i'n cywir" as would be translated as "that I am" or "that I to be." Used with other persons it would be the same form (with mutations, of course), e.g. "Mae o'n deud wrtha i fod o'n sal."
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| christian Senior Member United States Joined 5068 days ago 111 posts - 135 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, German | Message 19 of 41 10 March 2011 at 11:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
ser - to be Yo soy - I am Tú eres - You are Él/Ella/Ud es - He/She/You (formal) Nosotros somos - We are Ellos/Ellas/Uds son - They/You (plural informal and formal, except in Spain where it is formal) Vosotros sois - You (plural informal, Spain) are 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Abdalan Triglot Senior Member Brazil abdalan.wordpress.co Joined 4864 days ago 120 posts - 194 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, English Studies: German | Message 20 of 41 10 March 2011 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Ser - To Be (not vanishing in Portuguese, of course) Presente Eu sou - I am Tu és - you are Você é - you are Ele / Ela é - he / she / it is Nós somos - we are Vós sois - you are (plural) - Very formal Vocês são - you are (plural) Eles / Elas são - they are Estar - To Be Presente Eu estou - I am Tu estás - you are Você está - you are Ele / Ela está - he / she / it is Nós estamos - we are Vós estais - you are (plural) - Very formal Vocês estão - you are (plural) Eles / Elas estão - they are Edited by Abdalan on 10 March 2011 at 11:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5829 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 21 of 41 10 March 2011 at 11:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
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[OK, neither of the Welsh speakers here speak Spanish, so here's a quick explanation of ser vs estar:
"ser" is to be in a permanent sense: "he is sick" with "ser" would mean he has a serious long-term illness. (Alternatively, he's a sicko.) "estar" describes someone's current state (estar and state both derive from the same Latin word). "He is sick" with "estar" means he's got a cold or the measles or something.)
"bod" is the "estar-like" to be. It's the verbal noun equivalent to "dw" etc. The "ser-like" to be is a bit different. As I say it's almost always missing -- it occurs where a noun comes before the verb. Eg Huw yw e. In the other Celtic languages (well, the Goidelic languages anyway), there's still a verb at the start. The Irish is Is, and in Scottish Gaelic this is often just a short 'S attached to the start of the next word. Huw yw e translates word-for-word to Hugh that-be he, but originally was Is Hugh that-be he. We can tell there's an "invisible verb" there by the fact that the verb doesn't change in a question -- Gareth yw e? -- which is unusual. If the verb doesn't change, it can't be the main verb. This is why a "fronted" question like this is answered with "ie" and "nag e" -- we are answering the "invisible ser", rather than the "visible estar". Edited by Cainntear on 10 March 2011 at 11:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Leurre Bilingual Pentaglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5243 days ago 219 posts - 372 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Korean, Haitian Creole, SpanishC2 Studies: Japanese | Message 22 of 41 11 March 2011 at 12:11am | IP Logged | |||||
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Haitian Creole is also regular
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| Envinyatar Diglot Senior Member Guatemala Joined 5354 days ago 147 posts - 240 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 23 of 41 11 March 2011 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It seems Jamaican and "Pirate" are regular too:
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5829 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 24 of 41 12 March 2011 at 2:12am | IP Logged | |||||
Jamaican is a creole. Papiamentu and Haitian are also creoles, and their verbs are not irregular because there is no conjugation whatsoever in Papiamentu and Haitian. "irregular" and "regular" are labels applied to conjugations. A language without conjugations has neither regular verbs nor irregular ones. Jamaican Patois is the same -- tense is dealt with by particles, not conjugations. There are no irregular or regular verbs in Patwa. As for "pirate", there is no such thing. The stereotype for the so-called "pirate" is Hampshire English (England's most important ports historically were Portsmouth and Southampton). Hampshire English maintained a distinction between "be" and "is" longer than most dialects of English (equivalent to ser/estar in Spanish). But both "be" and "is" were irregular when conjugated for tense. Edited by Cainntear on 12 March 2011 at 2:16am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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