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 songlines Pro Member Canada flickr.com/photos/cp Joined 5009 days ago 729 posts - 1056 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French Personal Language Map | Message 41 of 51 22 June 2012 at 7:00am | IP Logged | |||||
Thanks for posting the link, Vermillion. A quick note: I haven't yet had time to fully read the sections on Book 3 (Prisoner of Azkhaban) - just had a quick scan of it, and haven't started the link on Book 4 (Goblet of Fire) at all. The section on Book 1 doesn't deal with significant cuts, although Ernould mentions "En revanche, un autre camarade, Parvati Palil (sic), disparaît carrément de la traduction française... " . For what it's worth, I spotted only *one* mention of Parvati Patil in the English version, and it's matched in the French translation. (p. 110 English, p 155 French in the version with the three black-garbed students + Hedwig on the cover). Keener readers may perhaps be able to say if she appears more frequently than that in the English original. (Or perhaps someone with an e-book version could just do a quick text search..?) It also doesn't sound as if Ernould realized that the American edition was marketed under the title "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone", given his comments on the title change. As mentioned above, I may re-read Philosopher's Stone (and, if I'm feeling really keen, perhaps also Chamber of Secrets) through LR. If I re-tackle Book 2, I'll keep an eye out for the cuts Ernould mentioned as being " coupes ... quasi-systématiques, une phrase toutes les deux pages en moyenne". Of course, as a general principle, translators should remain as faithful as possible to the original texts, but: (i) I'm not sure how much was actually cut; whether perhaps Ernould may have been (perhaps unintentionally) exaggerating. (ii) If the cuts were indeed numerous, whose decision it was to make them. (iii) Whatever cuts there were didn't spoil the book for me. The series was (sufficiently) enjoyable, but it's not (in my opinion) deathless prose, nor something crafted so that each and every little word counted. To tell the truth, there were many times during my reading of Books 2-4 when I felt her (English) editors could have wielded a far, far sharper pencil. Die-hard Harry Potter fans, of course, may beg to differ. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6397 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 42 of 51 22 June 2012 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4628 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 43 of 51 23 June 2012 at 1:53am | IP Logged | |||||
I didn't find the English too bad, generally speaking. But it seemed a shame that Harry was given such boring, humourless, inarticulate dialogue to speak, most of the time. I know he was meant to be going through the stroppy teenager phase, but most of the time I found him to be a PITA and it was only the other characters that made me want to carry on reading. It did get a bit better towards the end. Maybe that was him maturing. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6397 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 44 of 51 07 August 2012 at 10:17am | IP Logged | |||||
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I meant to post this link on Harry & JKR birthday, but the forum was gone...
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Muggles'_Guide_to_Harry_Potter/ Books It's nice for noticing all the parallels and connections. It's also a good way to get a summary of every chapter before reading it in your target language, without the need to reread the whole thing in English. I celebrated the birthday by rereading all the birthdays :) this amounted to 150 super challenge pages, not bad. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6503 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 45 of 51 07 August 2012 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have read all the books in English, and if I ever read all that stuff again it will most assuredly not be in the same language once more - it must be in something else, and not Danish because my sister has read all the books in that language. We try not to overlap.
Unfortunately I have just bought the first volume (the one with the stone) in Irish so I'll have to learn Irish before I can start my repetition round. It's a complicated world, and everything we do apparently makes it more complicated. PS: in which language do you cast spells in the Latin edition? Esperanto? Edited by Iversen on 07 August 2012 at 4:44pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| espejismo Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4851 days ago 498 posts - 905 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Greek, Azerbaijani | Message 46 of 51 07 August 2012 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
I thought the spells would be Greek, but it says here that the "names of incantations remain the same as the original" (see post #3). That makes sense, I guess. In the French edition of HP and the Goblet of Fire, the Beauxbatons students still speak French, but the text is italicized. In the Spanish edition, the French characters butcher Spanish, and it sounds kind of weird when George tells Harry that Fleur ha aceptado un empleo en Gringotts para "pegfeccionag" su inglés... Edited by espejismo on 07 August 2012 at 5:17pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6397 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 47 of 51 07 August 2012 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It sounds very cool imo!
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4628 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 48 of 51 07 August 2012 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
....comme une vache francaise...? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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