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| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4679 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 89 of 129 16 August 2012 at 10:46am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm just passing on the post! None of my Assimil books go into detail like this. I think my Using French
recommended about five rounds of L/R, not ten. I'll check. But I read it as hitting pause after each sentence, not trying to rewind it! For French, this method took about 20.". The Spanish lessons always took longer. But I think we should take this as a guide, not a hard rule. Adapt it, but keep to the general idea. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4497 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 90 of 129 16 August 2012 at 10:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Most SuperPacks nowadays come with an mp3 CD, which has the dialogues recorded in full as well as in individual sentence snippets. I use that. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4468 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German | Message 91 of 129 16 August 2012 at 11:17am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Do you have more to say about this success story? I've also heard this Polish method was very good, but in terms of content I find it a bit light... revision lessons take me 5 minutes (and clearly can't do more than that). Perhaps it's because I've done Michel Thomas before, and the early content (reached lesson 17 only) has to be easy to introduce cases and getting the learner used to the pronunciation/spelling. And surely I don't hope to get a B2 with that book, but I can imagine myself speaking much better Norwegian or Indonesian at the end of the book than Polish... admittedly Polish is supposed to be much more difficult for a French speaker. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Flarioca Heptaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5672 days ago 635 posts - 816 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Esperanto, French, EnglishC2, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Catalan, Mandarin | Message 92 of 129 16 August 2012 at 3:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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My way (only slightly different from that of languagegeek described by kanewai):
Passive phase 1) Listen twice with book closed. 2) Listen once while reading TL. 3) Listen once while reading French/English/... (whatever you have and understand well). 4) Study the TL text, the notes and the translation until complete understanding. 5) Listen again while reading TL. 6) Listen again with book closed. 7) Do the exercises. 8) Read again texts and notes from lessons about which you are not very confident. 9) Listen to the lesson again and try to repeat each sentence aloud (I don't stop the recording after each one). Repeat this step if desired and time allowing. 10) Repeat listening to (at most) the last 10 lessons during commute/whatever trying to repeat sentences aloud as in point 9. 11) (new for this experiment) Listen again the lesson of the day just before going to sleep. Active phase (to be done before the passive phase lesson of the day, if there still is one). 1) Read text in your known language. 2) Translate it to TL, without the use of dictionary and grammar books. 3) Listen to the lesson while reading your translation. 4) Compare texts. At this point, dictionaries are welcome. 5) Study the related grammar topics which you still don't fully understand. An extra grammar book is welcome. 6) Repeat listening also to the lessons already translated during commute/waiting lines/etc. In the "Perfectionemment Allemand" each lesson in the passive phase took me about an hour, but I did them very slowly, studied extra grammar topics related to the lesson, sometimes repeated point 7 many times etc. Anyway, I'm sure that the "sans peine" course will be much faster. Maybe in the active phase, while still doing passive phase longer texts, one hour could be necessary. During this experiment, after the end of the passive phase lessons, I'll add some extra activities while completing the active phase lessons: 1) Try to read at least a different text in TL on Wikipedia everyday. 2) Listen to news and music in TL. 3) Read news from RSS feeds. Edited by Flarioca on 16 August 2012 at 3:30pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Slothrop Newbie American Samoa Joined 4567 days ago 14 posts - 17 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: English, Italian | Message 93 of 129 16 August 2012 at 7:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Some people mentioned the case of languages with non-Latin alphabets. I agree with
ZombieKing: in these cases, learning the script before the start of the experiment should be allowed. Anyway, I'll almost certainly be doing Russian, and I've already gone through this tutorial two or three times by now to get familiar with the Cyrillic alphabet. I hope it's not decided otherwise, so I won't be breaking the rules before the experiment even begins. :D 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kerrie Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Kerrie2 Joined 5185 days ago 1232 posts - 1740 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 94 of 129 16 August 2012 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It is the opposite for me. The French lessons take 3-4 times longer than the Spanish lessons (in the Advanced books). But I assume that has to do with you having more exposure to French and me having more exposure to Spanish. :-)
The Spanish and French are the same. Many of the dialogs are 2-3 minutes long, and when I copy them in my spiral notebook, they are 3-4 pages long. They are very heavy on the grammar, introduce a lot of vocabulary, and are very intensive. The Spanish is easier (for me), but I spend at least an hour on each lesson, and frequently feel like this is not as much as I need. I could easily spend 2-3 hours on one of the French lessons. Even listening to the previous 2-3 dialogs every day (so I'm seeing them 3-4 days in a row), I am still missing stuff. EDIT: I'm doing lesson 39 today for Spanish, and the dialog alone is four whole minutes long. There is no way that takes half hour or less, unless you are already familiar with the material.
Probably. But I've had varying experiences with different courses, too. Once you get past the first 15-20 lessons, anything that is out of your comfort zone (Indo-European languages, for many of us), I don't think 30 minutes a day is going to be enough. Especially once you start the active wave. EDIT: Added response to Kanewai, plus Spanish lesson info. Edited by Kerrie on 17 August 2012 at 2:47am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kugel Senior Member United States Joined 6328 days ago 497 posts - 555 votes Speaks: English* | Message 95 of 129 17 August 2012 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Anyone going to try using Assmil while not understanding the instructional language? That is, trying to learn the language by only using the target language?
It would be interesting to see this type of experiment play out. I'm probably wrong, but I think the forum member, Laoshu, does this. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| dbag Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4812 days ago 605 posts - 1046 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 96 of 129 17 August 2012 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That doesn't sound right- do you have a link to that information? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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