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What does "basic fluency" really mean?
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Captain Haddock
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Message 105 of 106

06 October 2006 at 2:23am | IP Logged

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"Ees bes dat you talk clear and dey will know what you askin for".

That is in fact a creole, probably the creole spoken in Jamaica (or possibly Belize), although he might be dressing it up with more English elements. Note that creoles are separate languages, even if there is some mutual intelligibility.

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Might he speak a pigeon of English?

You mean pidgin of course. :) There aren't many of those around these days.* A pidgin becomes a creole once it has a generation of native speakers who develop a complete grammar for it.

(* "Pidgin English" notwithstanding, which is actually a creole spoken in Hawaii.)

Like Keith, I'm capable of communicating and getting along in a completely Japanese environment; that doesn't mean I'm anywhere near fluent yet. However, I'm not letting my skills fossilize either; I'm actively improving and will reach fluency one day.

Edited by Captain Haddock on 06 October 2006 at 2:25am
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zerothinking
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03 May 2008 at 1:50am | IP Logged

Sinfonia wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

As with my standard Canadian English, "have", "of", and "-'ve" are three
different vowels. I've never understood how people make that bizarre
mistake � who on earth taught them that "of" was a helping verb?.

Maybe Malcolm knows? :-)

It's just a speech thing :P people unstress the have to the point it sounds like of

I should have
I should'ave
I should'v or
I should'ev - e being a schwa

With that logic
none of that - unstress the o in normal speech and it becomes
none'ev that - ev is of and hey presto 'ev' sounds like an unstressed of

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