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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6385 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 17 of 43 19 January 2014 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It's definitely slightly different. I wish it was recognized like American English or Finland Swedish are. (although the differences are smaller) But Russians from Russia generally consider it to be bad Russian :(
But it doesn't have much to do with dialects, no. What exactly is more clear btw - the pronunciation? The vocabulary? The grammar? All of the above? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 18 of 43 19 January 2014 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It also depends on if the person is introverted or extroverted, shy or outgoing, etc. I
am Catholic, but often in conversation at first I am even reluctant to say what my name is, even less anything about income... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Einarr Tetraglot Senior Member United Kingdom einarrslanguagelog.w Joined 4401 days ago 118 posts - 269 votes Speaks: English, Bulgarian*, French, Russian Studies: Swedish | Message 19 of 43 19 January 2014 at 9:20pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sadly, I'm yet to hear Finland's Swedish, but the comparison between Ukrainian's Russian and American English is spot on really. And you're right Serpent, it's not that much about dialects, and I didn't do a good job explaining myself. So, here I go. Basically it definitely isn't bad Russian, as to my humble knowledge they do speak it quite well (at least what I've heard on TV). It rather is more laid - back and sounds as if they're using not so complicated grammatical constructs. And what I've noticed the most is as if their pronunciation is clearer to my ear at least. When it comes down to pronunciation, for me it's exactly like British - American English. I don't know what's the consistency of pronunciation and dialect situation in Russia, but here in the UK, you can hear at least several different pronunciations of English on the street, and it's not even the biggest of cities I live in. :D So overall, whilst I have to listen way more осторожнo, when I listen to one of my favorite old time classic movies "Служебный роман" (and get to understand like only 80- 85% out of everything) when I listen to Ukrainian shows in Russian it's like 90-95%. And once again it might be just me. =D P.S.: I'm also not the extroverted type of lad too so, yes that definitely should be put into consideration, apart from country/religion. :D Edited by Einarr on 19 January 2014 at 9:21pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 20 of 43 20 January 2014 at 12:59am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It still seems odd to ask about someone's income level. Not even with blood relatives
would I discuss this, never amongst friends or acquaintances. It also seems definitely odd, for example, in a university society or a company gathering to say, "Hello. My name is ______. How much do you earn per month/year?" I also come from a working class/borderline poor background, so even if anyone in family answered such a question, it would most likely be something like, "Less than you". Also years ago, when everyone in my immediate family was unemployed, a great-uncle who had become rich and knew this about us, at a Christmas dinner asked us randomly, "So how much do you earn nowadays?" which was particularly crass. That was the only time that I remember that someone asked us that, and it might have pretentious, or even offensive, overtones if asked to the wrong people or in the wrong situation. Edited by 1e4e6 on 20 January 2014 at 1:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4656 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 21 of 43 20 January 2014 at 1:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Just had a party with two Armenians and two Persians yesterday where a crazy language mix was spoken by everyone. But I wouldn't say it's particularly common - not in my 'German circle' anyway; many of my friends think of me as an eccentric...
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6385 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 22 of 43 20 January 2014 at 2:41am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| Einarr Tetraglot Senior Member United Kingdom einarrslanguagelog.w Joined 4401 days ago 118 posts - 269 votes Speaks: English, Bulgarian*, French, Russian Studies: Swedish | Message 23 of 43 20 January 2014 at 3:57am | IP Logged | ||||||||
This sounds like a good enough explanation to me! :) And now that you're asking, I really haven't. Probably the last modern one(because I wast stuff from the oldies quite often) I watched was Елена (great movie btw), but still it was long time ago and I wasn't listening profoundly. Note taken for На море. :) @1e4e6, sorry to hear about this experience. It was indeed quite rude of him of course. As I mentioned earlier it's a cultural thing really (amongst all the other factors). Take South Korea for example. There the society is still being divided by classes and their riches. As I mentioned earlier, I've watched quite a few Korean movies, series etc. and money talks are just as frequent and non-chalant as in Bulgaria for instance. For example you can take The Inheritors. And many others of course, this is just what came to mind first, given that I watched it recently. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 24 of 43 20 January 2014 at 4:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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True, it depends on cultural norms, personality, etc. The class system in the Anglophone
world is probably similar to those that you mention, especially the UK as you would know living here. For some, even an accent can one determine, "Oh that bloke is working class", "That one is middle", "That one sounds like s/he has a title", etc. Someone from Northern Ireland once told me that he could determine someone's religion by their accent(?). In Bulgaria, since an activity like chess is very highly regarded and popular, I hear chess a lot. But that might be because most of the Bulgarians to whom I talk are from chess. Edited by 1e4e6 on 20 January 2014 at 4:15am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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