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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3843 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes  Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 9 of 55 06 January 2015 at 10:15am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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LOL
I feel the same about Italian, but the other way around: Spanish is a sort of strange dialect of Italian :P Ghiaccio would be spelled something like 'Guiatcho' in Spanish. A couple of remarks about 'uccello' - doesn't look like Spanish, but it is closer to French ('oiseau') - it's also a familiar way used mostly in the North to call the man's kindermaakapparaat ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Amerykanka Hexaglot Senior Member United States Joined 4967 days ago 657 posts - 890 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Polish, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian | Message 10 of 55 07 January 2015 at 3:19am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Learning related languages is always interesting . . . By the way, how much Spanish could you understand
as an Italian speaker before beginning to learn Spanish properly? I'm doing my best to learn Italian but there are so many other things that must be done before I leave for Europe that I am afraid I will end up relying heavily on Spanish. How effective do you think this will be? Polish Update #2 I have started reading Szatan z siódmej klasy by Kornel Makuszyński. So far I have only read about 30 pages, but I am enjoying it. I created a new flashcard deck mainly for vocab recovery - there are so many words that have vanished from my active vocabulary. Even though they remain in my passive vocab, I am not happy with the situation so I am working on refamiliarizing myself with them. I bought a Polish phrasebook for this purpose, since most of the words I am forgetting have to do with everyday circumstances. And I was never great with airport, restaurant, and general touristy vocab anyway since traveling wasn't my priority back then. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3843 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 11 of 55 07 January 2015 at 9:34am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Well, I started to learn Spanish by listening an intermediate podcast and then the
advanced one. After 6 weeks I can understand a video like this or follow universitary courses on Coursera or similar websites. I think that this is subjective by the way, not all the Italians reach this degree of comprehension of Spanish without previous exposure. In my case probably knowing English and French helps me. If you want to use Spanish to speak with Italians, be sure to speak slowly and avoid words that are completely different to the Italian ones (if you say 'almuerzo' nobody will understand what are you talking about). Rely heavily on gestures when communicating and pay attention to their gestures. Italians communicate a lot with the hands ;) You'll see that this does the trick. You can also try to speak Italian and when you don't know a word in Italian, say it in Spanish. Otherwise, there are Italians that speak English. Don't worry in any case. An Italian would be able to go in China without knowing a word of Chinese and be invited to dinner. :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Amerykanka Hexaglot Senior Member United States Joined 4967 days ago 657 posts - 890 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Polish, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian | Message 12 of 55 09 January 2015 at 4:44am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Hmm, thank you for your explanation. I will continue working on Italian while in Italy and since I'll be there for several months, hopefully my Italian will be in pretty good shape by the time I leave. I definitely plan on attempting to speak Italian and only relying on Spanish as a last resort. At some point before I go I'm going to look up a list of false friends and that should be helpful. And I'm going to cram as much Italian vocab as I can within the next week.
I communicate a lot with my hands as well but probably not in quite the same way . . . in any case, I'm looking forward to trying to communicate. :) Italian Update #2 Over the last few days I have listened to lessons 1-24 of Assimil's Italiano senza sforzo and looked up all the vocab that I didn't know. Most of my issues with listening comprehension come from just not knowing the words, although the intonation is pretty weird so that sometimes throws me as well. I am now at about 800 words, I'd say, and I am hoping to add 500 more before arrival in Italy. I have a week at home and then a 9-hour flight, after all. I learned the imperative forms of the verbs and also all of the contractions of the definite article with a, de, da, in, and su. I also learned the present tense of uscire and sapere. I am feeling more comfortable with the language now. The listening in particular has added to my confidence. I also messed around with duolingo for 30 minutes and I might do a bit more there tomorrow. It is addictive, but who knows how useful. In the next week, between packing and figuring out international phone plans etc., I hope to memorize a few more tenses, and, as I mentioned above, learn 500 or so new words. I will obviously continue with the Assimil and vocab acquisition once in Italy, but I want to have most of the heavy-duty grammar out of the way. Edited by Amerykanka on 09 January 2015 at 4:46am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| pesahson Diglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5524 days ago 448 posts - 840 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: French, Portuguese, Norwegian | Message 13 of 55 26 January 2015 at 11:11am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
z przykładem pracowitości - wiadomo o co chodzi, ale nikt by tak nie powiedział. Lepiej by było - Zdecydowałam przywitać nowy rok pracowicie. Tytuł książki będzie tutaj w mianowniku - Zaczęłam książkę Dziura w sercu. Można też napisać Zaczęłam "Dziurę w sercu" i wtedy tytuł będzie w bierniku.
to nie jest ani bardzo wyrafinowana ani bardzo trudna książka
Nie spodobała mi się ZA BARDZO
ledwie dałam radę - sobie tutaj jest niepotrzebne. Nie wiem jaka jest na to reguła gramatyczna, ale jak masz po tym czasownik: dałam radę wszystko zrobić, dałam radę przyjść na czas, dasz radę dokończyć? to bez sobie, ale gdy nie ma czasownika to używa się sobie: Dałam sobie radę ze wszystkim. Dasz sobie radę? To tylko małe poprawki. Bardzo dobrze piszesz po polsku! Edited by pesahson on 26 January 2015 at 11:13am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Amerykanka Hexaglot Senior Member United States Joined 4967 days ago 657 posts - 890 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Polish, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian | Message 14 of 55 29 January 2015 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Bardzo dziękuję za poprawki - były bardzo pomocne. To po raz pierwszy słyszę o tym odróżnieniu w użyciu wyrażeń "dać radę" i "dać sobie radę", muszę to sobie zapamiętać.
Co do aktualizacji tego log'u, muszę powiedzieć, że obecnie przede wszystkim słucham książek audio. Wyładowałam Audiotekę do mojego iPad'a i kupiłam Władcę pierścieni i Szkołę narzeczonych. Ta pierwsza jest moja najulubieńsza książka, i ta druga była tania i do tego ma narratorkę, która mówi bardzo szybko, więc to będzie dobre ćwiczenie w słuchaniu. Nie mam wielu problemów z rozumieniem, ale od czasu do czasu czegoś nie rozumiem ze względu na szybkość mowy czy coś takiego. Może także problemy wynikają z faktu, że zwykle słucham tych książek w łóżku przed zaśnięciem, kiedy jestem bardzo zmęczona. W każdym razie bawię się dobrze z tymi audiobookami i myślę, że polepsza się mój polski. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Amerykanka Hexaglot Senior Member United States Joined 4967 days ago 657 posts - 890 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Polish, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian | Message 15 of 55 08 June 2015 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Ha, I suspected that I wouldn't be very active this spring and I was right. Studying abroad and trying to
maximize travel opportunities without letting your grades slide is amazingly difficult. However, now that summer has arrived and I am back in the US, I hope to have time to update this log. First, however, I just have to say: I finally was able to visit Poland!!! I only had time to spend a long weekend there (in Krakow), but it was enough to reaffirm me in my love for all things Polish. Now I am determined to return next summer for a longer visit. In preparation, I need to brush up on grammar and especially vocab. I was very pleased with the way I managed to use my rusty Polish; I was able to communicate everything I wanted, I understood 90% of what people said to me, and I was asked several times if I was Polish. But I remember a time a few years ago when Polish was much more effortless - I want to regain that comfort, and then move beyond it into true fluency. As it so happened, I ended up spending more time in Spain - some friends and I took two weeks to walk the last 200 miles of the Camino de Santiago. I was very pleased with my Spanish and I thoroughly confused several Spaniards as to my nationality. They could tell I wasn't Spanish, obviously, but I guess they assumed I was from some Spanish-speaking country in Latin America, so when I turned and started explaining things to my friends in English, the Spaniards were shocked. One hostel-owner looked at me in outrage and exclaimed, "¡Pero yo pensaba que hablabas español!" Although I was pleased with both my Polish and my Spanish, both can definitely be improved. This summer I want to read and listen extensively in both languages, and perhaps do some Skype exchanges if anyone is interested. This is all for now. I have a collection of Ana María Matute's short stories that is very tempting. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Mooby Senior Member Scotland Joined 5901 days ago 707 posts - 1219 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Polish | Message 16 of 55 08 June 2015 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Witam serdecznie!!
Great to hear about your travels, especially to Kraków. And well done for confusing folks in both countries! 1 person has voted this message useful |
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