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| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4869 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes  Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 113 of 131 05 February 2012 at 3:38am | IP Logged | ||
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Strange, I love Korean exactly for the reasons you guys find it frustrating. But I also enjoyed a course on English phonetics that no one else liked, so I'm weird anyway...
One thing I totally agree on, though. It's a nightmare to try to look up a word with one of those ㅔ/ㅐ/ㅖ/ㅒ/ㅚ/ㅞ/ㅙ vowels, often impossible to tell apart. By the way, is there some kind of Korean renaissance going on in this forum? That's pretty cool! Edited by druckfehler on 05 February 2012 at 6:34am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| 이희선 Groupie Australia Joined 4970 days ago 56 posts - 97 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 114 of 131 06 February 2012 at 10:35am | IP Logged | ||
Maybe. Why not? :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5179 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 115 of 131 06 February 2012 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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Talking about 'b' vs 'm' :
They have mentioned the problem on a podcast I am listening to these days, they say something about m with air released through nose, or somthing like this. I have actually the same problem, but I though it's only the case with the word for 'yes'. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6438 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 116 of 131 06 February 2012 at 9:04pm | IP Logged | ||
Which podcast? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5767 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 117 of 131 07 February 2012 at 2:20am | IP Logged | ||
You automatically release the air through the nose when uttering 'm' because your mouth is closed (lips are shut) and when saying 'n' because your tongue blocks off the air stream. The reason why those sounds often sound like b/d to our ears are because they are very short when pronounced correctly, but the actual movement of the mouth is more comparable to German or English m/n sounds. I also think the following vowel gets a more nasal quality in Korean because you pronounce it using the air you've already released through your nose? Edited by Bao on 07 February 2012 at 4:34am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| howtwosavealif3 Newbie United States Joined 4487 days ago 16 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English* | Message 118 of 131 14 August 2012 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm also a korean learning korean because I forgot lots since moving to the USA. But anyways I decided to learn Japanese first BECAUSE I want to learn Japanese as well and I think order of Japanse then Korean makes sense (but if you're fluent and literate in chinese then I guess the order doesn't matter). Also, I wanted to learn something new than fix something broken. One is korean is only written in hanguel now-a-days so even if you study hanja you'll never come across it so it's never reinforced unless I decide to read newspapers from however many years ago (but I don't care about news in general regardless of language) and I wanted to remember words with hanja because I know it's such a pain in a butt trying to remember/learn vocabulary (If I don't have this hanja clutch i'll give up for sure. I knew that for sure). So I knew that the fastest way to learn hanja is Japanese since they actually use it. It's not hanja exactly but I know 75% of the sino-words in Japanese and korean crosses. Also Japanese just seems to have more resources like rikai-sama (there is something similar for korean with chrome but it's just not as awesome as rikai-chan/rikai-sama) and just having kanji helps me figure out what the hell is going on better than just hanguel. ALSO, Japanese is grammatically simpler and that was another reason why I decided to learn Japanese first (I could already tell how much frustration I'll feel added onto the fact that I didn't know hanja at the time + everything is written hanguel which doesn't help the dissection. I found out about anki and RTK shortly after and I was like oh I'm glad I chose Japanese first 100%)
So anyways I've succeeded with Japanese quite well due to my discovered love of Japanese talk/variety shows and their usage of text on the screen. I've found this site that tells you how the sounds in kanji in Japanese convert to korean. It's a life-saver and yes the rules are not 100% but high probability is good enough. http://korean.nomaki.jp/site_j/kanji.html and if i learned korean first I would've never found this site and i wouldn't even be that good with hanja with anyway because they don't use it so how would i ever get good at it. Anyways I just find it really helpful and advantageous learning korean with the knowledge of Japanese. Because I've learned Japanese I've grown to understand the concept of "fluency" more and what learning a language is for me and so I don't think I'll aim for fluency in korean or fluent speaking in korean just because I know I don't have that much interest or time to dedicate to korean. I'm just focusing on increasing my understanding of korean used in korean talk/variety shows I enjoy and I do hate a LOT OF them (one day 2 nights, we got married = zzzzz) so I'm very happy to find the ones that I do like. Edited by howtwosavealif3 on 14 August 2012 at 8:17pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5833 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 119 of 131 01 November 2012 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well it can't be that difficult if an elephant can learn to speak it!
Elephant 'speaks Korean' 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Haksaeng Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6199 days ago 166 posts - 250 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 120 of 131 02 November 2012 at 10:25am | IP Logged | ||
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But he only knows banmal.
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