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| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5863 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 177 of 204 11 April 2014 at 12:40am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 178 of 204 11 April 2014 at 6:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Just to make it clearer, in Portuguese the -sse forms are alive and thriving as the
imperfect subjunctive, while forms in -ra are only for the now mostly literary synthectic pluperfect indicative (though we can think of fixed expressions such as "Quisera eu ter a chance de..." which is literary or "Quem me dera" which is still colloquial). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6059 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 179 of 204 12 April 2014 at 3:16am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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If you want some examples, I may quote myself on this thread.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 180 of 204 12 April 2014 at 4:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Luso, is this distinction uncommon/literary in Portugal too? Edited by Serpent on 12 April 2014 at 4:03am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6059 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 181 of 204 12 April 2014 at 6:02am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I read the article and we use it exactly the same way the Brazilians do. It's quite idiomatic. In fact, it's so automatic that, if you'd asked me whether we have "fugir a" just like that, I would have said no. When I come to think of it, there are many possibilities: "de", "para", "por", "com", "a", etc. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 182 of 204 12 April 2014 at 6:21am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yeah but for example Expugnator said this sounds literary to him, and they just use de in Brazil.
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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6059 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 183 of 204 12 April 2014 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I can't comment on another person's experience. All I can say is that the person posting in WordReference is obviously Brazilian, and she gives examples from over there. Furthermore, those would be perfectly valid in Portugal. At a first glance I would have dismissed "fugir a", but I recognise the examples given. If you want one more idiomatic example, we use "fugir com o rabo à seringa" quite often. It means to avoid the inevitable (like a painful treatment, or a vaccine). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 184 of 204 12 April 2014 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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By literary I meant rather written, not classical XIX literature. I tend to say and hear mostly fugir de. Well,
maybe in a formal context like a lecture you may hear fugir a. The thing us, we Brazilians avoid the preposition a as much as possible because it. is ambiguous with the article and there isn't even a significant stress difference in normal speed language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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