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Expug’s All at On(c)e Log - TAC14 | ||
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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 33 of 415 10 January 2014 at 10:42pm | IP Logged |
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The trip took longer than expected - which is quite normal, but I arrived safe. I could
still manage to study the whole schedule. The good news is that I finished Teach Yourself Georgian: for English Speakers, a book that helped me enormously. Now I can proceed to Basic Georgian - in fact I've already been through the first 2 lessons. Only one page left for EGS too, and I'll start 'A Georgian Reader'. It seems I'm focusing in Georgian these days, and it's not true, not in terms of minutes spent daily, it's rather that I'm going through a critical stage and I have to decide what to do with the language. Norwegian seemed easier today. I could follow Himmelblå almost with no pauses for looking words up. As for the book, I did have much trouble, but much less than the day before, and the 4 audio tracks took me through 12 pages. I realized it's important to learn dialogue marking words such as 'say', 'reiterates' 'grumbles' etc as well as character position and direction ones such as 'turns to', 'nods', 'turns back' as soon as possible in a language when you start reading a novel, so you don't have to look them up once in a while. You lose time by doing so and they don't add much to the story. Maybe it's even better to keep a list as the same author tends to repeat the same words and you get to master them sooner. I managed to read the French book, the Georgian billingual story and the Russian lesson while still on the bus, and I did Anki, too. That saved me some time for the afternoon when I had to go through all the audio+computer+internet demanding activities. I had a good understanding of the Chinese cartoon as well as of the dialogues in Chinese characters at Travel in Chinese (I read them before playing the lesson). 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 34 of 415 12 January 2014 at 12:56am | IP Logged |
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It was a long day and I managed to study, even though it was Saturday and my dad's
birthday. All went well! I finished Enführung in die Georgische Sprache, finally. Now I'm motivated to go for the other books. I studied lesson 3 from Basic Georgian and next time I'll start A Georgian Reader to replace EGS. The good news is that it is one more resource I can study from the tablet alone, in dead times. When studying EGS I needed to look up a lot of words in German. With those two replacements (3 if we count Lord of the Flies I finished 5 days ago) for Georgian I expect to save up to 20 minutes in my daily schedule. I'm finally getting the hang of the book Beatles, in Norwegian. I can read it extensively almost effortlessly, but I'm still pausing and playing the audio and looking words up. I think I'm benefiting a lot from this book. Next one might be even smoother. Travel in Chinese lessons also start to get easier. I'm finding time for Memrise too, in fact I'm working on three lists for Chinese, which are Anki sentences, Tuttle's flashcards and Memrise. I still like Duolingo better than Memrise because it offers the opportunity to even pronounce sentences in the language (I know, I could be doing this on my own but it's not the same thing as being "forced" to), but now I can only use it for German as I know the other languages at an advanced level. LL Russian is over next week, so I'm going to start a silent time while I work at the old TY Russian. I'm eager about finishing Assimil German Without Toil and now I realize I have only 28 lessons left, which means 4 days of study. Then I will start the other editions which are actually easier, and maybe I can go faster. I'll leave the translation exercises for when I do the ld TY edition in Portuguese, I have such a good experience with using this book for French and I'm putting all my hope at it for helping me with both Russian and German, the languages I've had most false starts at. Not really suffering from wanderlust, but besides Estonian I feel like going for my upcoming languages, which are Turkish and Indonesian, thanks to the good logs I've seen over there. Will stick to the plan, though. I believe I'm repeating myself and should update less often, it's just that I like the new developments so far and I'm starting to notice an overall progress. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| WoofCreature Diglot Groupie Canada Joined 4524 days ago 80 posts - 118 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: German, Portuguese, Norwegian | Message 35 of 415 12 January 2014 at 8:08am | IP Logged |
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Hey, just wanted to say I enjoy reading your log, though I don't usually post since I don't have anything useful to add. It's inspiring how you manage to get so much studying done consistently each day in all of your languages. I've been thinking about how I'm going to continue to improve my languages as I add more and your schedule has given me some ideas.
Also, thanks for the correction in the Exploradores team thread! :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4251 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 36 of 415 12 January 2014 at 9:13am | IP Logged |
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See on minule väga huvitavat näha, kuidas nad, kes ei oska soome keelt, õpivad eesti keelt.
Ma kasutan ise ainult materjale mis on tähendatud soomlastele, ja siis ma ei tea midagi neist muukeelseist raamatuist. Siin on sulle hea veebileht, kui sa midagi pead revideerima eesti keele pööramisest. Eesti keele süntesaator andab igase moodi, mille saab õigeks lugeda. Eesti keele syntesaator Ma soovitan, et vaatad ainult omastava (genitive) ja osastava (partitive), sest iga käände saab moodustada neist vormidest. (Ehk illative on hea vaatada ka, sest see on mõnikord ebareeglipärane) Võib-olla tahad eesti keele pärast soome keelt õppida :) Edited by Henkkles on 12 January 2014 at 9:15am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 37 of 415 12 January 2014 at 1:21pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks Henkkles and WoofCreature!
I still haven't started learning Estonian, but I'm sure this link will be useful. It was already good to know that Google Translator works better for Estonian than for Georgian :D Funnily enough, to see in Georgian is ნახე (reads: nakhe). I've read that Estonian borrowed some syntax features from German, and I wonder how far it goes. Georgian is typically S-O-V, so in complex sentences word order in Georgian and German is quite similar, and it was actually thanks to Georgian that I finally became used to German's 'unusual' word order. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 38 of 415 12 January 2014 at 2:16pm | IP Logged |
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When I started studying Russian, in order to make sense out of the chaos, I traced an
analogy with French when it comes to the genitive case. Just like (thanks to the 'pas') French uses the preposition 'de' in negations, which is the same one use for possession, attribute, Russian uses the genitive. Je n'ai pas d'argent -> in Russianm that'd be genitive case, right? Same goes for plurals. French prefers plurals with 'des', that is, partitive article but actually the preposition that governs possession and attribute, too. Same in Russian, where you use the genitive singular and then plural. I know, this is far from being scientific but it does help making sense out of things. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5164 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 39 of 415 12 January 2014 at 2:56pm | IP Logged |
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It's sunday and I decided not to study. So I took the day for working on active skills!
This is a regrettable attempt on Chinese, for the Writing Dialogues Challenge. 你去哪儿？ 去商场。 想什么东西？ 我想买衣服，还想买运动鞋。 在那个商场卖的运动鞋便宜吗? 很便宜!这个月有大甩卖,卖的东西都很便宜。 你买T恤衫吗？ 买。这个城市和我住的城市卖的T恤衫不是 一样的的，所以这个商场卖的T恤衫又好看， � �新奇 (pinyin for the last sentence: Zhège chéngshì hé wǒ zhù de chéngshì mài de T xùshān bùshì yīyàng de, suǒyǐ zhège shāngchǎng mài de T xùshān yòu hǎokàn, yòu xīnqí.) - Where are you going? - I'm going to the mall. - What do you want to buy? - I want to buy clothes and sneakers. - Are the sneakers being sold at that mall cheap? - Very cheap! This mall has a big sale, everything there is very cheap. - Are you going to buy T-shirts? - Yes, The T-shirts sold at this city aren't similar to the ones being sold at the city where I live, therefore the T-shirts at this mall are both good-looking and novelty. ===== - Salut ! - Salut ! Ça va ? - Ça va. Qu'est-ce que tu raccontes ? - Je suis chez mes parents pour les prochaines semaines. Le temps est très beau ici. Je veux profiter de l'occasion pour étudier des langues, faire du sport et regarder des films. - T'as vu quel genre de films les derniers jours ? - Plutôt des comédies. J'ai vu 'Comme un chef', c'était très drôle et intéressant aussi, il m'a appris pas mal de mots sur la cuisine française. - Ça a l'air intéressant. The French one is recorded here. Edited by Expugnator on 12 January 2014 at 3:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| yuhakko Tetraglot Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4630 days ago 414 posts - 582 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishB2, EnglishC2, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Korean, Norwegian, Mandarin | Message 40 of 415 12 January 2014 at 11:57pm | IP Logged |
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Nice conversations as always I see!
I can't see any error for your Mandarin one, but if I may I can tell you a few things to make the French one more natural. First "Raconter" has only one "c". That's the only "real" error and the rest is correct after. However, instead of "le temps est très beau ici", we would say "il fait très beau ici". Both are correct but the second is more natural. When we talk about the weather, we'll usually imply the word "temps" itself. Instead of saying "les derniers jours", we'll say "ces derniers jours". Again it's correct but we'll be thinking "les derniers jours de....". When you say "ces derniers jours" it really insists on the detail of the very lasts days before the conversation. Finally, you probably know this already, but instead of "il m'a appris pas mal...", we'd say "ça/cela m'a appris pas mal.." as you are talking about the movie, which is a thing and not a living thing. Regarding your accent, it's really good! It did make me smile a bit when I realized that you kinda have a Quebecois accent. Do you have friends from there or maybe lived there? 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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