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| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5789 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 41 of 178 23 July 2015 at 11:42am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That would imply that they wanted to do it and were just waiting for an opportunity; rdearman claims that he set the other site up as a backup in case this site went down and left it live because of certain unforeseen factors, it's not the same thing. In addition many people are saying this is the last straw and has finally tipped them into wanting to move, again not the same thing as taking advantage. Of course there will probably be some people who wanted to move anyway and see this as an opportunity; but I repeat that I don't think it is fair or helpful to imply that about any particular individuals without any evidence. We have no way of knowing whether rdearman intended to attract members away from this site when he set up his back up site, so why speculate? Let's concentrate on the important issues at hand. Edited by Random review on 23 July 2015 at 11:45am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4539 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 42 of 178 23 July 2015 at 11:54am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree. However, I do find comments like this from yesterday on the new site unhelpful:
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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4850 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 43 of 178 23 July 2015 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
On the same page, he also said this:
So, could we please stop the Spanish Inquisition and act rationally again? 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4539 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 44 of 178 23 July 2015 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
So North-South Korea is overkill but the Spanish Inquisition is normal discourse?? :) I actually do think I am speaking rationally. I am sorry if you don't agree. The existence of the two sites is forcing the issue that excludes the community as a whole being able to make a decision. There are long-term members of this site who won't even input into the final decision because they had the ill fortune to be on summer holidays for a week or two. Anyway, I agree that there are more useful things to talk about, but I am not really sure to what end. The moderators are having a private conversation about the future. The other site is functioning and probably has a critical mass of members, which isn't going away. What are we to discuss there? Whether we stay or go? Edited by patrickwilken on 23 July 2015 at 12:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4850 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 45 of 178 23 July 2015 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I was simply adjusting to the tone of the debate. ;)
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| samfrances Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4058 days ago 81 posts - 110 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 46 of 178 23 July 2015 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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No one wants to split the community. People mostly just want better software, in order to save a community that seems to be slowly dying anyway. If the Administrator would either upgrade the software himself, or (better) give the active admins what they need to upgrade the software and keep it up-to-date, I think everyone would be very happy, and indeed prefer, to stay here. Edited by samfrances on 23 July 2015 at 12:17pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5539 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French | Message 47 of 178 23 July 2015 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Voting with our feet has already occurred and has been happening for a long time. It started when people stopped coming here and new
users not registering. Once a frequent user I stopped coming here because it was becoming arduous. Never knew whether the site was up or not or whether it could load relevalt topics. It's not like there is lack of similar places on the interwebs. I get that it's all about the community but while I might love my cousins living in the countryside I just like don't feel like visiting them often anymore. They live in that hut they themselves call to a rustic mansion full of nostalgia, memories and old pictures of their younger selves, which, unfortunately it's about all there is that they have going on there. It's not that I don't love them, it's just that the stay is uncomfortable. And at times they're not even home when I come. So I try again. But alas, at times they seem to be home, but for some reason doors are stuck and I can't get in. Or move about the rooms. So I've given up daily visits and only come on rare occasions. Seems to me the website is bleeding users. And it's not because of the users, it's because of the website. Staying here for the content is saying that the (old) content is more important than (new) users and it the ships sinks with all that paraphernalia then so be it, it's too precious to let go. True, great content indeed creates new users, but on the other hand, it's the users, who create content. And they can create new content. People build up destroyed cities and recover after tsunamis. Or move elsewhere, away from their home town. They're not calling it a schism, they're calling it searching for a better life or just turning the page. They moved from yahoo to hotmail to gmail. And from orkut to myspace to facebook. It's not the end of the world. Oh, and in 2015 on the internet, when there's no decent mobile version of the site, I stop visiting it as often. We could easily triple (pulled the number out of thin air but in any case it'd be a positive number) participation rate by having forums that are mobile friendly. I'd be wasting a lot more time on the site when commuting or just idling without computer. 9 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4539 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 48 of 178 23 July 2015 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Just for the record I would also be happy moving to a new site. I just feel strongly that the community as a whole should be able to make the decision. Look I don't mean to sound super dramatic. I really don't. It seems to me rationally that there is a new site that is now permanent called 'how-to-learn-any-language.org'. It isn't going away. So the choice we have is to go there, or stay here. That choice depends a lot on what happens in the future on both sites. But given there are going to be two sites, it's likely that the community is now split (assuming most people won't live on both sites). I think (in a non-dramatic/non-rhetorical fashion) that this is unfortunate as I liked the old community as a whole a lot. To be honest I also find it annoying that the moderators are also having a private conversation about the future of the site excluding long-term members (or at least that is my impression of what is happening). What I think should be happening is an open conversation with the whole community, and then as a community we make a decision about the future. Edited by patrickwilken on 23 July 2015 at 12:33pm 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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