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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6731 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 41 of 46 12 April 2012 at 10:55am | IP Logged |
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The Greeks apparently also thought that their language had too much grammar so they just dropped most of it. Modern Greek is a breeze compared to what you have been describing here about the ancient version(s).
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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6706 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 42 of 46 24 April 2012 at 9:52am | IP Logged |
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Thank you Iversen! I fully understand the Greeks, and the Ancient ones have all my sympathy.
--- Yesterday, I actually had a "wow, it's cool to know some Greek" moment. I was looking up words in the OCS dictionary (Ceitlin, the one that's impossible to find) and for three or four words in a row, I realized that I didn't actually need the Russian translation. The dictionary always gives Ancient Greek first, then Russian and Czech, sometimes Latin. Seriously, there must be some awesome factor in being able to use a OCS-Ancient Greek dictionary. My supervisor added some new Suprasliensis texts to the corpus, so now I'm back to annotating. Other than that, we have a OCS midterm due 2nd of May. It's not a bad one, actually, just time consuming. We are to comment on and categorize all plural nouns in the entire Задонщина. When I have gone through all of the text, I will return with the number of actual pl nouns and their case and stem distribution. It will be interesting! The problem is that those damned monks or whoever wrote these things down weren't very consistent in spelling, so you find all kinds of "this shouldn't be here"-forms. Not to mention that the text was written during a period of time when the language was splitting up more and more into regional OCS:es (14th century), so the different versions of the text show quite some variation. Case is supposed to provide you with syntactic information, it's supposed to be handy. It's not when the system of stems is collapsing and they start using ACC for NOM and NOM for ACC, mixing stem endings like crazy, etc. So this takes time. I also browse through like 3-4 books on Old Russian grammar to find sources to quote on "and then there was a tendency to use u-stem genitive on o-stem nouns, starting from..." etc. Not to mention that I have to look up each and every word in the dictionary to make sure I have the correct nominative form and to find clues of what stem the word belongs to when it isn't obvious. I have tons of work to do. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5084 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 43 of 46 24 April 2012 at 11:27am | IP Logged |
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Are there any Old Russian elements in "Задонщина"?
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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6706 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 44 of 46 24 April 2012 at 11:49am | IP Logged |
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There are, like -yě endings in gen.sg and nom.akk.pl ja-stems and akk.pl jo-stems, participles in -č-, full-sound forms (but mixed in with metathesis), 3rd person plural present verbs with -tъ endings, shortened imperfects. If I notice some concrete examples while looking for my nouns, I'll report them ;)
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5084 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 45 of 46 24 April 2012 at 12:26pm | IP Logged |
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спасибо.
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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6706 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 46 of 46 04 May 2012 at 8:22pm | IP Logged |
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I will have to get back to ES thing in the Zadonshchina, since I never got the time to put together a list. Before the exam I will, though.
I've mostly been working with Greek lately, once I finished my midterm. I hope it turned out good. Something that is a bit OCS related is the movie I watched yesterday and today, The Legend of the Princess Olga. I wrote about it on my blog. Tomorrow I leave for Riga, just for a couple of days. For reading I plan on bringing my Ukrainian OCS grammar - so that I can finally do something for the Super Challenge. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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