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| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 425 of 479 21 December 2014 at 3:41pm | IP Logged |
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한국어 (2014년 12월 14일 - 2014년 12월 20일):
Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) GOAL STATUS: Week 52 Grammar 1 (Extract grammar from SRS): DONE (65 cards) Grammar 2 (Complete Let's Speak Korean 2부): 28/130 Grammar 3 (Complete Talk To Me In Korean): DONE Grammar 4 (Complete Survival Korean): Not Started Grammar 5 (Complete SK: Basic Grammar): Not Started Grammar 6 (Review Lonely Planet Phrasebook): Not Started Grammar 7 (Review Using Korean): Not Started Vocab 1 (SE read 24 songs): 15/24 Vocab 2 (INT read 1 TTMIK 이야기/month): 6/12 Production 1 (Memorize 1 song/month): 8/12 Production 2 (Write 2 posts/week): 29/52 Team Gumiho Challenges: 2/3 --- 日本語 (2014年 12月 14日 - 2014年 12月 20日): Current RTK Lite Status: Lessons Done = 40 -> 42 (56) Kanji Covered = 1586 -> 1647 (2042) Active SRS Cards = 921 -> 950 (1116) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the totals for completing RTK1 / RTK Lite.) Pimsleur: 79-87 (semi-active) Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 426 of 479 21 December 2014 at 4:03pm | IP Logged |
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TAC recap and 2015 plans:
My TAC this year was a bit of a disappointment overall. I wish I had achieved more of the goals that I planned for myself, but at least I did induce language progress and learned some useful information to help me better plan my TAC 2015 goals. My interest in Spanish dropped sharply mid-year and simply never recovered. Not long after, though, I started to have a renewed interest in Japanese. This time, however, I actually seem to have gotten some Japanese "hooks" embedded which never really happened the first time I tried to learn Japanese. Due to this I've already shot way past the very early phase where I sidelined Japanese last time and see no signs of slowing down yet. As such, that made me realize that trying to reintroduce Spanish again without this kind of "hook" effect is just going to be a waste of my time. Spanish will stay sidelined for now until something hooks me enough to keep my interest going. One of the biggest lessons I learned this year is that year-long goals do not seem to work for me. Even goals that I thought would be easy to meet in my Korean TAC goal list are goals that I simply couldn't maintain for a full year. As such, I'm going to try a new method this year and set goals with more intensity but over a shorter interval. I am not completely decided on the duration yet, but at most they will be quarterly goals and at the minimum monthly goals. Currently, I'm leaning toward quarterly goals (since monthly goals may already be covered by any TAC challenges that appear). I think I can maintain enough momentum for that kind of time window to allow for slightly more challenging goals since I have a closer finish line each time. In addition the number of goals will be reduced and I will attempt to focus more heavily on one language at a time. In TAC 2014 I had too many goals for each language while also trying to balance both languages. I was hoping that keeping the goal lines so low would compensate for this, but it did not. I'd rather have a more difficult task to accomplish, but have the time to focus on that task rather than alternating tasks among a large list. In other words, the goals for this year are going to be less "low intensity, long duration" (like a marathon) and more "high intensity, short duration" (like a series of sprints). The think the latter is going to prove to be far more effective. Regarding the comment above about switching focus on each language, if I go with quarterly the plan would be something along the lines of focusing on Japanese more in Q1, on Korean more in Q2, then back to Japanese for Q3, then back to Korean for Q4. I may still have goals for both languages in each quarter, but the goals for the "resting" language will be simple and few in number. For example, in Q1 I may have 3 fairly intensive goals for Japanese and 1 minor goal for Korean. The minor goal may be something along the lines of a super challenge goal where I'm simply tracking how many shows I watch (with the goal set fairly low), whereas the intensive goals will involve more focused active work in the language (textbooks, translation of material, song memorization, intensive reading, etc.) with much higher benchmarks. If the minor goal in any way affects my ability to reach my intensive goals, then I've set it too high. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 427 of 479 28 December 2014 at 2:37pm | IP Logged |
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한국어 (2014년 12월 21일 - 2014년 12월 27일):
Unsuspended Korean Cards: 6 - 홍진영 - 사랑의 배터리 (3 cards; 0 remaining) - No Brain - 넌 내게 반했어 (1 cards; 2 remaining) - Girls Day - 기대해 (2 cards; 7 remaining) Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) --- 日本語 (2014年 12月 21日 - 2014年 12月 27日): Current RTK Lite Status: Lessons Done = 42 -> 44 (56) Kanji Covered = 1647 -> 1709 (2042) Active SRS Cards = 950 -> 981 (1116) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the totals for completing RTK1 / RTK Lite.) Pimsleur: 88-90 Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) Comments: Finally finished Pimsleur so it's time to delve into other resources (and to repurpose my morning commute to some other task). --- I was hoping to have my TAC 2015 goals ready to post by this morning, but I'm still working out the details of them, so I'll post those as a separate entry. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 428 of 479 29 December 2014 at 12:11am | IP Logged |
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TAC 2015 Q1 Goals:
While I am doing the TAC for two languages again this year, I am not going to focus on both languages at the same time. I will have goals for both languages each time, but one language will be heavily biased over the other for each quarter. In addition, I'm also planning to focus on fewer goals at a time with higher goal posts rather than making fairly minimal progress on a high number of goals. Also, since I am primarily tracking this on a weekly basis (except for any monthly team challenges that may appear), I'm considering today the start of my 2015 TAC. Korean: Korean is going to be the background language for Q1, not my primary focus. As such I have only one established goal for this language and the difficulty of this goal is intentionally minimal. Goal K1: Watch Unsubbed Video (91 videos) First I want to clarify that by "unsubbed" I'm only referring to English subtitles (via fan subs, KBS World subbing, etc.). This distinction is important as Korean music shows and Korean variety shows have lots of text onscreen, but still count as "unsubbed" for this goal as long as they are not English subtitled videos. In fact, I would even be fine with counting videos that are subbed into other language as long as the subtitled language isn't my native one (ie. English). I also have no issues with counting videos I've watched previously, including those I've watched with English subtitles. There are two ulterior side motives behind this goal which makes it a very good goal choice for me. The first motive is that it will help induce me to start watching music shows more heavily again since I am far behind on them currently and need to catch back up. That said, I've also determined that the only way to catch back up anytime soon is to skip episodes, so I'll likely do that as well (i.e., watching one music show for a given weekend rather than all three music shows for each given weekend). The second motive is that it should induce me to start watching Running Man again. I was watching this show quite heavily back when English subs were available from iSubs, but once their site all but disappeared, I stopped watching them waiting for the site to return which it never really did. I continued collecting the unsubbed versions, but that was more for future rewatching use (as I always try to go unsubbed whenever possible when I rewatch a show). This goal will make it worthwhile to start watching the unsubbed versions of these shows instead as a first pass rather than just saving them for later rewatching. The reason I picked "91" as the goal post is because weekly tracking will be more convenient than monthly and 13 weeks x 7 days = 91 days for Q1. Thus this will be an average of 1 unsubbed video per day. At this time I see no reason to dictate video length (or switch the goal to hours) as this merely makes it more difficult to track the goal and the only one I hurt by "cheating" at a goal like this is myself anyway. Japanese: Japanese is going to be my primary focus language for Q1. While this means I will have more intensive goals for this language, I am still keeping the goal count low so I can keep the goal posts for each goal higher than I would be able to otherwise. Goal J1: Continue RTK (26 chapters) Finishing RTK1 completely in Q1 is theoretically possible, but would require a much faster pace than I have been doing them (thus greatly bumping my review counts) and would reduce the time I can spend on other goals, so I will not attempt that as a single- quarter goal. Instead my goal will simply be to ensure that I continue progressing at my current rate. As my current rate is 2 chapters per week (1 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday), I have set the goal accordingly. As a reminder, I'm doing an RTK Lite pass followed by a clean up pass, thus my chapter total is effectively doubled over the 56 in the book. Goal J2: Textbooks (39 lessons) I have finished Pimsleur Japanese 1-3 and am nearly done with the RTK Lite pass of RTK1, so it is time to start on textbooks. My original idea for a goal was to do 1 lesson per week in each of the 3 textbooks I'm most likely to use (Japanese for Busy People: Kana Edition, Japanese for Everyone, and 일본어 무작정 따라하기). This would bring me through lesson 13 of each book for a total of 39 lessons. However, the more I thought about it setting it to 1 lesson per week per book seemed like a setup for failure since it doesn't allow me any flexibility should I find myself preferring one textbook source over another or growing tired of a textbook and stopping use of it. I had a similar issue with TAC2014 by specifying sources and do not want to repeat that mistake. Thus the goal is still 39 lessons, but does not specify where those lessons must originate. They can come from any of those three textbooks, from other textbooks, from online learning resources, etc. This goal, however, does not include language learning podcasts as 3/week is too easy of a goal for audio-based courses (since I can do those on my commute unlike textbook or online study). I expect this goal to be the trickiest of the three as finding time for textbook study has always been a challenge, but I need to make time for it so I'm stating it as a goal to help induce that. Goal J3: Watch Videos (273 videos) Unlike Korean, I'm still early enough in my Japanese studies that I feel that I still get plenty of benefit from English subbed media (mostly in the form of vocabulary acquisition). As such, my goal for Japanese media is merely to watch videos without requiring them to be unsubbed. However since my language focus is Japanese for Q1 and because I'm allowing subtitled media, I'm tripling the goal post compared to that of Korean. Edited by Warp3 on 29 December 2014 at 12:19am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 429 of 479 04 January 2015 at 2:53pm | IP Logged |
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한국어 (2014년 12월 28일 - 2015년 1월 3일):
Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) TAC Progress: Unsubbed Videos = 0 -> 8 (91) Team Challenges = 0 -> 0 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) --- 日本語 (2014年 12月 28日 - 2015年 1月 3日): Current RTK Lite Status: Lessons Done = 44 -> 46 (56) Kanji Covered = 1709 -> 1775 (2042) Active SRS Cards = 981 -> 1010 (1116) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the totals for completing RTK1 / RTK Lite.) Extensive Reading: - Twitter (a few visits each week) Comments: One of my "lessons" for this week was actually the "Introduction" section from Japanese for Everyone. The reason I counted it as a lesson is because it is rather lengthy and they fit a lot of useful information in there. The introduction covers pronunciation rules (including timing and stress pitch), the topic particle, word order, and verb/adjective conjugation (complete with conjugation tables). Since I learned a lot from reading that section and it is similar in length to the actual lessons themselves, I'm counting it as "Lesson 0" of that book. The other 2 lessons I did this week were lessons 1 and 2 from Japanese for Busy People (Kana Edition). TAC Progress: Rembering The Kanji = 0 -> 2 (26) Textbook Lessons = 0 -> 3 (39) Videos = 0 -> 22 (273) Team Challenges = 0 -> 0 (1) (The values before the arrow are last week's values. The values in parentheses are the final goals for Q1, except for the Team Challenge where it denotes the total number of issued challenges.) --- Since I like the posting method I've been using for RTK better than the one I used for TAC2014, I'm using that new posting method for TAC2015. I particularly like the fact that it has both the current and previous values as that shows each week's progress rather than just the running totals. When posting my TAC goals, I noted that I felt no need to specify video length or measure running times. However, a few videos I watched (Gaki no Tsukai clips, in particular) turned out to be much shorter than I expected (many were 10 minutes or less) and counting them didn't seem appropriate, but neither did it seem appropriate to simply not count them at all. As such, I've instituted a bit of a self-imposed minimum of 23 minutes (which is roughly the running time of a 30 minute TV show without ads) for a video to count. I can count videos that are shorter but only if I combine them with other videos to make a long enough running time. In other words three 10-minute videos equals one video toward my goal. For a while I was also watching videos with very long running times (some of the Gaki no Tsukai batsu game specials are 5 hrs long!), so I may institute a similar rule to give multiple video credit to videos over a certain length. What I don't want to get in the habit of is actively counting minutes or hours, though, so I want to keep these limit rules fairly simple and keep the "1 video" running time range fairly wide so these are rare exceptions, not common place occurrences. Most of the videos I watch are in the 23 - 90 minute range, so that is likely the "1 video" range that I'll opt to utilize. I'm noticing something a bit unexpected about having video watching goals. Normally I have a tendency to feel a bit guilty about watching videos rather than working on my TAC goals like I should be, even though I know that video watching is an important part of language learning as well. Now that they are actually part of those goals, though, that is much less of an issue. The only real source of video watching guilt now is watching subbed videos for Korean and I'm perfectly fine with that being the case. Edited by Warp3 on 04 January 2015 at 2:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| yuhakko Tetraglot Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4633 days ago 414 posts - 582 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishB2, EnglishC2, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Korean, Norwegian, Mandarin | Message 430 of 479 07 January 2015 at 7:19pm | IP Logged |
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I find your idea of separating goals per quarter a very good idea. I'll be following how
that works out for you and will probably copy you next year if that goes well ;) (not that following you will change anything since I was already doing so ^^) Anyway, good luck! 頑張って！화이팅! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 431 of 479 08 January 2015 at 12:35am | IP Logged |
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I think having short term goals will work very well for me since I tend to burn out trying to
maintain the same set of goals for a full year. Thanks, best of luck to you in 2015 as well. Am I correct in assuming that '頑張って' is the ’がんばって' that I hear so frequently on Japanese TV (assuming I even spelled it right in Kana)? EDIT: I just played with the Windows IME and apparently I had the spelling wrong for the first Kana, but guessed the word correctly since fixing the spelling made it auto-generate those Kanji. Edited by Warp3 on 08 January 2015 at 12:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| yuhakko Tetraglot Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4633 days ago 414 posts - 582 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishB2, EnglishC2, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Korean, Norwegian, Mandarin | Message 432 of 479 08 January 2015 at 9:06am | IP Logged |
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Yes indeed, You're right. I figured it'd be a good way to introduce those 2 characters in
Japanese if you didn't know them :) 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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