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| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6470 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 65 of 126 29 November 2008 at 4:30am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Thank you. My mother agrees and my wife thinks I am very handsome as well :O) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6470 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 66 of 126 29 November 2008 at 5:09am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Please, it's not "importants" is "importance". :O) If you want to work with real and scientific evidence, you need measurements. If not, you are talking about angels' sex. Thoughts can be understood like behaviors and you can work indirectly with them. Some behaviorists think they are not psychologists and they think these are different sciences. Maybe closely related, but different.
Thoughts can be understood like behaviors chains and they follow the very same learning laws.
As I said before, aversive stimulus can be a positive reinforcer. Some people get high with arguments. Strong arguments with other people are a powerful reinforcer for them. They like to fight, like boxers, martial artists, mercenaries and so on. Sometimes we look for honest opinions and disagreement is welcome, because it's a good feedback. Sometimes we look for other opinions, because we want to reinforce our own opinions. It depends on circumstances.
Your premises are all wrong. Ergo: your conclusion is wrong. It's a good thing to be open-minded, but not so open-minded that your brain falls on the floor... :O)
Your incredible logic is...evidence based medicine is an experimental framework, not a life philosophy...so evidence based medicine should be avoided and we should go with witch doctors...and their open minded life philosophy...:-)))
Very interesting.
Very interesting, but it's very important to measure subjetive data as well. You need data about subjetive client feelings. This very important if you want to earn money.
Thank you. I like to be a statistical deviation of the norm. I like to be special. It's very reinforcing for me...:O)))
Thank you, but your intention isn't helping me. You act like you do, because it's very reinforcing FOR YOU and it's not in a altruistic sense, but in a egotistical one :-) Edited by slucido on 29 November 2008 at 5:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Leopejo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5904 days ago 675 posts - 724 votes Speaks: Italian*, Finnish*, English Studies: French, Russian | Message 67 of 126 29 November 2008 at 5:24am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Who guesses what "language" is the following quote? ;-) Ogni scarrafone è bello 'a mamma soja 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6470 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 68 of 126 29 November 2008 at 6:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Il detto é napoletano Tradotto "Ogni scarafaggio è bello per sua madre" 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Leopejo Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5904 days ago 675 posts - 724 votes Speaks: Italian*, Finnish*, English Studies: French, Russian | Message 70 of 126 29 November 2008 at 7:08am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Bravo! I'd translate "ogni scarafaggio sembra bello a sua madre", but yours is good too. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5806 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 71 of 126 29 November 2008 at 7:42am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Where's your scientific evidence? Or are you talking about angel pr0n too?
De todo no. My point is that you are trying to make a life philosophy and a grand unifying theory out of what's nothing more than an experimental framework.
The you are not a behaviourist. The whole point of behaviourism is that it rejects subjective evidence as scientifically unreliable. Thoughts are unobservable, hence unmeasurable, so irrelevant to the experimenter. Behaviourism rejects the idea of hypothesising unmeasurable processes as unscientific. The notion of internal thought processes as analogous to behaviours is a hypothetical construct, and has no place in behaviourism.
This is starting to become like a religious debate. The term "reinforcing" has become a catch-all for "good". Being different "reinforces"... but what does it reinforce. It cannot reinforce the correct behaviour, because your behaviour is statistically verifiably incorrect!!
Behaviourism says that my intention is irrelevant, only the outcomes in the form of my exhibited behaviours. Particularly given that my intention is unmeasurable by you or anyone else. As an aside, why would it do my ego any good for me to speak better English than a non-native? There's nothing new there. So in summary, no-one can argue with you because: * You claim to ascribe to behaviourism, but you've really just picked the bits you like and extended them absurdly. * Consequently, any argument against you isn't valid as it only exists outside of your chosen framework. * In your framework there is no "good", "bad", "right" or "wrong"; there is only "reinforcing" and "non-reinforcing" and these mean whatever you want. * If anyone disagrees with you, it is because they do not understand you, and this isn't because you refuse to use meaningful terminology, oh no no, dearie me no. * Your personally-invented framework has never been experimentally measured, which means that no-one can have statistical evidence against it, and you reject all criticism that has no statistical evidence, even though your standpoint is similarly without statistical evidence. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6470 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 72 of 126 29 November 2008 at 8:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Enchanté, Semierotteku. Si les prémisses sont fausses, les conclusions sont fausses. Tu n'as pas besoin de cours de mathématiques ou de logique. À propos, ta méthode de lire et d'écouter est très intéressante. Zdaje mi się że on wola mieć który czynić jeden tłumaczenie przy ten eapańol. :O))) Edited by slucido on 29 November 2008 at 8:19am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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