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| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5647 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes  Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 33 of 52 25 April 2010 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, Hencke.... He considers himself Finnish, I am sure. The connection is with the language, not the nationality. It was several hundred years since Finland belonged to Sweden. People from Åland speak Swedish like people from Stockholm. You don't know they are from there unless they tell you because the accent does not reveal it. Most of them go to university in Sweden, or spend time there at some point in their life. Plus, the other thing to bear in mind is that there are probably the same amount of Finnish speaking Finns in Sweden as there are Swedish speaking Finns in Finland... LOTS of Finns moved to Sweden between the 1950s-1980s because the Swedish economy was stronger and the countries have strong ties. They are part of Sweden now, if they want to... although some have moved back. Plus in Northern Sweden there are some areas that are Finnish speaking. And lots of the Swedish speaking people in Finland really ARE Swedes and not Finns. People sometimes go there to "get away" a bit... It's sort of home, yet foreign... A least two of my friends disappeared to Finland when things got a bit to complicated.... The difference in their case is that they can't speak Finnish. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| DaisyMaisy Senior Member United States Joined 5189 days ago 115 posts - 178 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish Studies: Swedish, Finnish | Message 34 of 52 26 April 2010 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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ah, now I know the right word, finlandssvenskar! :)
Thank you for your thoughtful replies. I didn't realize there were Finnish speaking areas of Sweden, although it makes sense that there would be....Scandinavia is more linguistically complex than I had first realized, with Norwegian having the different dialects, Danish being similar but different, Sami languages, Swedish and Finnish in various places....I think I have tended to fall into easy assumption that Sweden = Swedish, or Italy = Italian, etc. I think there is probably a difference between America and Europe in the way that we see ourselves as the "melting pot" (not to say there hasn't been a lot of discrimination/feeling against those deemed undesireable). Most distantly European-origin folks like myself see ourselves as American, although one does quite frequently hear, "oh, I'm Polish, German, and Hungarian" - all hundreds of years ago though. Of course an American not of European origin might think quite differently about it all than I do, given some of the history that has occurred. It will be interesting as the US becomes more and more a two main languages country - English and Spanish of course. Where I live (West Coast) I hear Spanish every day, most all signs in businesses are in both languages, and almost every corporate phone call you dial has a Spanish speaking option, etc. Finally, that is quite interesting about the "German Italians". Out of curiosity, does anyone know if it is a standard German dialect that they speak? Or a Swiss variety? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Emme Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5156 days ago 980 posts - 1594 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German Studies: Russian, Swedish, French | Message 35 of 52 26 April 2010 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
The German spoken in the Italian region of South Tirol is ‘Südtirolerisch’ which is a variant of Austro-Bavarian. In particular it is classified as one of the Southern Austro-Bavarian dialects which are spoken in the Austrian regions of Tyrol, Carinthia, Styria and in parts of Salzburg and Burgenland and of course in South Tirol. So it is actually closer to Austrian than to either standard German or Swiss German. Edited by Emme on 26 April 2010 at 9:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| oz-hestekræfte Senior Member Australia Joined 5487 days ago 103 posts - 117 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Danish | Message 36 of 52 13 June 2010 at 8:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm wondering if someone can shed some light on something that often trips me up in Danish. And that is the difference between "for at" and "til at" and indeed simply "at"
It seems like such a basic thing that I should know, but because most of my study has been nearly all imput, I haven't really needed to discern the difference. Also I haven't been able to find good explainations in any of my teaching material. I think the problem for me is English always just uses "to" A couple of examples. I did some google searches to get the correct form (I hope they are all right) Jeg glæder mig at lære mere om det. Jeg glæder mig til at lære fra dig. Jeg gør det for at lære noget Can anyone tell me what the difference between these 3 sentences are that they need the different construction? "at" and "til at" seem almost interchangeable, but I'm still not 100% sure on the difference between any of them. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6718 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 37 of 52 13 June 2010 at 11:36am | IP Logged | |||||
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Based on my Swedish, "at" matches "to", while "for at" means "in order to"/"because".
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| Danac Diglot Senior Member Denmark Joined 5157 days ago 162 posts - 257 votes Speaks: Danish*, English Studies: German, Serbo-Croatian, French, Russian, Esperanto | Message 38 of 52 13 June 2010 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'd agree with "at" and "to" being similar, and I'd also say that "for at" is "in order to". Jeg glæder mig at lære mere om det. The other ones are right, but this sentence is wrong. The expression is "glæde sig til" so there has to be a "til" there. (Jeg glæder mig til at lære mere om det.) Many expressions have a certain preposition they go with, and it's not like they have a particular function like "for at", they just have to be there if it's a part of the expression. We'd also say: Jeg ser frem til at lære mere om det. The "til" has to be there, since the expression is "se frem til". I hope you have a good dictionary that can tell you when to use the correct preposition to match an expression. Edit: I was also considering the wording of the sentence "Jeg glæder mig til at lære fra dig." It seems almost correct, but I'd prefer "Jeg glæder mig til at lære (noget) af dig." (I'm not sure about the "noget", I think I decided it might work both ways.) Edited by Danac on 13 June 2010 at 2:55pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Itseopis Newbie Japan Joined 5233 days ago 10 posts - 9 votes Studies: Finnish | Message 39 of 52 23 September 2010 at 7:54am | IP Logged | |||||
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Cordelia Du snaqqer hel godt dansq och jag undrar om de finlans Svensqatalerar är Finsq eller svensq folk eller
baade i finlands historia de t finsqan maaste talar svensq I Qorea 1900 talet Qorean folq under Japansq Imperialism var utrotade om det talade Qoreansqa liten barn oqqsaa Japansq är qrigs förbrytare 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| gustaviii Newbie United States Joined 4928 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 40 of 52 19 November 2010 at 11:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi everyone,
I'm learning Swedish from a book from my university's library, which doesn't have an answer key. Could someone tell me if this is a correct usage of "tycka om"? "The young Swedish girls liked looking at the magnificent gardens." = De unga svenska flickorna tyckte om att titta på de praktfulla trädgårdarna. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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