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TixhiiDon
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 Message 193 of 431
22 January 2011 at 11:06pm | IP Logged 
Thanks for the message rahdonit. If you look back at my log you will see that a
Georgian girl exchanged messages with me for a few months at the beginning of my
studies. She hasn't visited for a long time now, but I was forced to write in Georgian
from a very early stage and I can't exaggerate how helpful it was.

As for your question, from my limited contact with the language, Tschenkeli's rule
seems more common to me. In the genitive, for example, I don't think you would ever
say ჯონის ბრაუნის წიგნი, right? Maybe the dative is different.

My Georgian teacher told me that in the dative case, the ს of ჩემს and შენს is slowly
disappearing, so maybe this is also the situation here.

If I remember I'll ask my teacher and get back to you.
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 Message 194 of 431
23 January 2011 at 3:55pm | IP Logged 
I have read your log with big interest, but of course it will take some time untill I can understand also the Georgian part of it.
I am really impressed that you started to express yourself in Georgian at such an early stage. And now, when you are at a more advanced leved, it would be even more rewarding to keep writing (and hopefully have someone correct you).

good luck!
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 Message 195 of 431
26 January 2011 at 8:41pm | IP Logged 
Alright a short remark:

დღეს საქმე სულ არა მაქვს.
Today I don't have businesses/affairs/obligations at all.

So, that სულ particle stands for "at all"? I guess it could also be used in a positive sentence, though. Any examples?
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TixhiiDon
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 Message 196 of 431
27 January 2011 at 4:55am | IP Logged 
E}{pugnator wrote:
Alright a short remark:

დღეს საქმე სულ არა მაქვს.
Today I don't have businesses/affairs/obligations at all.

So, that სულ particle stands for "at all"? I guess it could also be used in a
positive sentence, though. Any examples?


My teacher gave me a list of uses of სულ with example sentences, so I guess I'll just
copy them down for you here.

"a total of"
ამ კვირაში სულ 250 კაცი მოვიდა ჩვენ კაფეში.

"not at all/nothing at all/never"
სულ არ მაინტერესებს რას ფიქრობენ ჩემზე სხვები.
სულ არაფერს არ ჭამ. მიირთვი რამე.
სახლში სულ არ ვაკეთებ სამელს.

"completely"
ეს ჩანთა სულ ახალია (here, "brand new")
მთაში ერთი კვირა სულ მარტო ვიყავი (i.e. "all alone")

"only"
ახალი წლის დადგომამდე სულ ცოტა დრო დარჩა.
სულ რაღაც 10 წუთში დაიწყება საინტერესო ფილმი.

"always"
ჩემი კატა მსუნაგია, სულ ჭამს.

სულ ერთია: "It's all the same to me"
ვაშლის წვენი გინდა თყ ფორთოხლის?
სულ ერთია.

სულ უფრო: "more and more"
სულ უფრო მეტი ხალხი მიდის დასასვენებლად შავ ზღვაზე.

სულ ცოტა: "at least"
ეს კომპიუტერი სულ ცოტა 10 ათასი ლარი ღირს.

Hope that helps.


Edited by TixhiiDon on 27 January 2011 at 4:58am

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 Message 197 of 431
27 January 2011 at 6:23pm | IP Logged 
Thanks for the examples, Tixhiidon, I'll surely keep them for future studies! By now, I can't understand much of these sentences, only a couple of words in each. I just wanted to confirm that სულ was a particle with a rather idiomatic usage, and it seems so.
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 Message 198 of 431
01 February 2011 at 1:12pm | IP Logged 
ძალიან კარგი ამბავი მაქვს! გასულ კვირადღეს ვიყიდე თვითმფრინავის ბილეტი
საქართველოში და დავჯავშნე ოთახი თბილისის სასტუმროში. თორმეტ მაისში გავფრინავ
ტოკიოდან და დაახლოებით ერთ კვირას ვიქნები საქართველოში. მე მარტო ვიქნები
საქართველოში და ძალიან დიდი ხანია რაც მარტო დასვენებად მივედი, ამიტომ ცოტა
ვნერვიულობ, რომ ალბათ მომიწყინდება სულ მარტო ყოფნა. მაგრამ ერთდროულად
ძალიან ბედნიერი ვარ, რომ შემიძლია წავიდე საქართველოში და ვლაპარაკობ ქართულად
ქართველებთან ერთად.

ENG: I have very good news! Last Sunday I bought a plane ticket to Georgia and booked
a room in a hotel in Tbilisi. I will fly out of Tokyo on May 12th and I will be in
Georgia for around one week. I will be in Georgia alone, and it is a long time since I
went on holiday alone so I'm worried that I may become a little fed up with being all
alone. However, at the same time I am very happy that I can go to Georgia and speak
Georgian with Georgians.

Hmm, it is evident from my English translation that I still sound like a six year old
in Georgian. Let's hope I manage to get even just a little bit closer to my real age
before May.

I am pretty excited, though. The flight is a bit weird. I have a 22 (yes, thats
twenty-two)-hour stopover in Vienna, so I'm going to leave the airport and spend the
night in a hotel. I used to live in Vienna and I love the city very much so this is no
hardship for me at all. The alternative was a 12-hour stopover in Istanbul - not
really long enough to do anything in a city I don't know at all, so I decided to stick
with what I know.

Not sure how I'm going to fill my time in Georgia. I'll certainly be stocking up on
books, wine, suluguni cheese, and any Soviet tat I can lay my hands on. If I'm feeling
very brave I may venture onto a marshrutka to Gori or Mtskheta. Otherwise I will just
be wandering around and soaking up the atmosphere.

In other news, I have finally, after many months of searching, got my hands on a
reasonably-priced copy of "Georgian Language and Culture" by Aronson and Kiziria. I've
done about four hours of study with it today and it seems excellent. The book starts
with about 100 pages of long dialogues written in colloquial Georgian in both formal
and casual registers, complete with a full vocabulary and copious grammar notes.   
Dodona Kiziria writes brilliant dialogues - not even the faintest whiff of language
textbook fakery about them.

I'm still reading იყო საღამო იყო დილა, and it is still brilliant and quite easy to
read. The short stories I've been reading with Medea are much much more difficult, so
either she is choosing particularly difficult stories for me or the novel is
particularly easy. Sadly, I suspect the latter to be true.

I am running into problems with the Gold List method. I'm up to around 1400 words on
my head lists, but most of those I have added over the last few weeks have come from
იყო საღამო იყო დილა, and I have been finding that I remember almost none of them. I
have also found that I can't remember a lot of the words I have discarded during
previous distillations, even though they should, in theory, be in my long-term memory
now. So I am becoming rather skeptical about this method. I suppose it's still better
than just writing down a word in a vocabulary book and forgetting about it, but there's
no way you could write down thousands of random words and let them slowly seep into
your long-term memory. I'm going to persevere with this method, but only using words I
have some sort of previous relationship with.

Lastly, I have decided I need to have more conversations with myself in Georgian. This
evening in the park, while my dog ran around sniffing other dogs' bottoms, I described
my day to myself out loud (I'm old enough and ugly enough not to care what people think
of me) and it was a good brain workout, so I'm going to make that a habit.

Edited by TixhiiDon on 02 February 2011 at 5:34am

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 Message 199 of 431
03 February 2011 at 5:54pm | IP Logged 
That is great news! I hope you enjoy your stay in Georgia.

And you still have 3 month before you go, it is a lot of time to fine tune your Georgian!

Good luck!

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 Message 200 of 431
03 February 2011 at 8:23pm | IP Logged 
Hope you have a fantastic trip in May, and get the opportunity to chat with lots of interesting Georgians! What's your game plan over the next few months to prepare? :)


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