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| Spanky Senior Member Canada Joined 5778 days ago 1021 posts - 1714 votes  Studies: French | Message 49 of 91 22 October 2011 at 2:15am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I like the original issue, and frankly am surprised by the severity of the criticism in the thread.
We not infrequently discuss on this forum accents in different parts of England, Scotland, America, Canada and elsewhere without all hell breaking loose, and we very often are invited to provide our subjective opinions about a wide variety of matters. In response to the comment that lumping continents or hemispheres into single groups is misplaced, the second half of the original post bears a quick second read (the part which attempts to draw discussion about individual countries, states, provinces, cities). I strongly doubt that anyone would say that talking about a Boston accent v. a Texan accent is something only a prejudiced person would entertain. Anyways, the answer to the original question is: Newfies. I say this with complete affection and respect for my eastern brothers (love the lobster, fellows, and fingers crossed re: the cod). Edited by Spanky on 22 October 2011 at 2:20am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| kanewai Triglot Senior Member United States justpaste.it/kanewai Joined 4711 days ago 1386 posts - 3054 votes Speaks: English*, French, Marshallese Studies: Italian, Spanish | Message 50 of 91 22 October 2011 at 8:51am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I found these charts regarding
Phonemic Inventory (great term, by the way; it was new to me, but it's very useful, so thanks!). And my theory that Bedouin learn English so well because Arabic has all the sounds in English, but not vice versa, is wrong. Back to the drawing board. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4878 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 51 of 91 22 October 2011 at 10:37am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Why do you think so? Don't you agree with me? Why? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6372 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 52 of 91 22 October 2011 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Today I heard a native Mandarin speaker speak French. Her accent was pretty good. And Thai's are pretty good at
French to, from what I remember. But I have never heard a Japanese person speak intelligible French, and I've heard many. Well, one exception. I met a bilingual speaker on skype once. But she had learned from birth, so it was a different situation. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5515 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 53 of 91 22 October 2011 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I was pointing out that vowels (of which there are five/six in English) and vowel sounds (of which English has many more, cf. the Wikipedia article I linked to) are two entirely different things. Just wanted to make sure that was clear. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4878 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 54 of 91 23 October 2011 at 9:05am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I have always called vowel sounds vowels and consonant sounds - consonants.
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| Jinx Triglot Senior Member Germany reverbnation.co Joined 5515 days ago 1085 posts - 1879 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Catalan, Dutch, Esperanto, Croatian, Serbian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Italian, Spanish, Yiddish | Message 55 of 91 23 October 2011 at 12:21pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
That's no problem for me. Go argue with Wikipedia if you don't like what they wrote. :) ETA: But if you want to understand the difference, think, for example, of the sound /u/. In German it's represented by the vowel "u". No problems there. In English it's often represented by the letters "oo". Would you call "oo" "a vowel"? In French, the same sound is represented by the letters "ou"? Again, would you call that "a vowel"? In English, "oo" is certainly not a vowel. It's two instances of the vowel "o", put together to make a completely different sound (/u/). In French, I would expect that they don't consider "ou" a vowel either. Do you start to see the difference between "vowels" and "vowel sounds" now? Edited by Jinx on 23 October 2011 at 12:26pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4878 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 56 of 91 23 October 2011 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I see that you call some kind of letters vowels. But I've always thought that words "vowels" and "consonants" refer only to sounds, while letters can't be vowel or consonant. So, to me OO in food is one vowel, oo in good is another vowel and oo in blood is another vowel too. Because how can we say whether "h" in French and Spanish is a vowel or a consonant? Or я, ь - in Russian? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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