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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4617 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 57 of 63 02 July 2012 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'd call that more than "getting by" :-) But it sounds like a good test. For those without fast-talking TL friends, one could perhaps use the facility in Audacity that can change the speed of playback without altering the pitch, in order to self-test.
Thus spake the lady who invented the super-duper-mega-giga-yankee-doodle-dandy challenge (or whatever it's called :-) ) !!! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4477 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 58 of 63 02 July 2012 at 10:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As was said above, Mr. Administrator set the standard for "HTLAL Basic Fluency," and that's all there is to it.
I personally tend to think they are strongly skewed to the point of being confusing, but a confusing standard is far more workable than no standard. For example, 80% understanding of a newspaper seems to be a VERY, VERY low standard (I would say A2/B1) compared to conversing on "any topic" (which to me says B2/C1). The meaning of "any topic" in the basic and advanced definitions is, of course, where a lot of interpretation comes in, as nobody can converse on ANY topic in ANY language, only topics with which they have some level of familiarity. Accordingly, I chose "B1 or B2," and I'm just not sure how to draw a bright line any more finely than that. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5242 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 59 of 63 02 July 2012 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree. I started a thread about it a couple of years ago: http://how-to-learn- any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22750&PN=1 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4657 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 60 of 63 03 July 2012 at 3:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That depends very much on the language. Sure, with European languages you have the luck that many newspaper words are shared across the languages, so 80% understanding can be much easier than talking to someone who uses idiomatic speech. However, in Korean I'm totally stranded when it comes to newspaper articles - there are as good as no words I might recognise from German, English, Greek or Latin. Instead there's a high number of Sino-Korean terms, which I often find difficult to learn. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4460 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English* | Message 61 of 63 03 July 2012 at 8:36am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I agree, but that's not exactly what I meant. People think I'm better than I am. Sure, I get a lot of compliments, but my language partners and people I talk to are consistently talking to me as they would a native. I have to spend a lot of time with someone before they understand my limits well. Actually, I like this - I think I get more from this type of conversation. But I wanted to bring it up as a consistent example of people not adjusting, as you call it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5123 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 62 of 63 03 July 2012 at 8:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||
He did not go on for very long :-) The thing is that I had said to him that my German was really bad, and since he did not take into acount that I am Norwegian, and a woman, he took that literally. As for the Challenge, it went from being a simple little Super Challenge to the Super Duper Mega Challenge because I wanted to include people, and lower the bar for participation. Claiming that you must be as good as a native is excluding people, and raising the bar. Hence two totally opposing things :-) Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 03 July 2012 at 8:50am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4477 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 63 of 63 03 July 2012 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Good point. Every language is different. From my experience with Hebrew (and Japanese, a few years ago), which shows this feature as well, I'm not sure I would change my view that 80% written comprehension is a low standard--compared to the conversational standard--but it changes the analysis a little. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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