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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4627 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 49 of 69 30 September 2013 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As the issue of shadowing and its place (or the question of whether it has a place or not) in TL accent and pronunciation has been
mentioned again recently, I thought this old post of Professor Arguelles was quite interesting. Some thoughts on accent and pronunciation (from 20 April 2008 ) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jamopy Newbie EnglandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4379 days ago 26 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 50 of 69 30 September 2013 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As i said i don't have any ideal material, so i went onto the SVT (Swedish tv channel)
website and had a go at blind shadowing one of their programs. With some of the speakers i could understand enough to have an idea what they were talking about and was able to get a fair amount of words. With others i could hardly understand a thing they said as they were speaking far too fast for me, and also some seemed to have different accents. With the second groups i'll admit i was just babbling along trying to make sounds that sounded similar to theirs. So after my first try i'm not sure if i'm doing it right, but it feels a bit overwhelming. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4627 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 51 of 69 30 September 2013 at 9:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
I have also tried it in that style (in my case listening to podcasts or internet broadcasts from Welsh radio), and it is a bit overwhelming. Until you can get more used to it, it might be better to start with smaller chunks of comprehensible material, e.g. audio from any particular course you may be following. If you don't mind spending a bit of money, Swedish Made Easy looks interesting. (But I've never tried it, and please don't take that as an actual recommendation). There is also Swedishlinq. You have to register, but I think it's basically free. Oh Say it in Swedish may be ok, but looks like there may not be many lessons. EDIT: There is a related site: Sprichmalschwedisch which uses German as the base language. However, even if you don't understand German, you could still listen and shadow the Swedish, and if there are transcripts,that should make it easier. EDIT2: To be honest, comparing the 1st German version lesson with the 1st English version, you might be better off with the German one! They seemed to be taking it a bit more seriously. You have the transcript to guide you through the Swedish audio, and you might pick up a bit of German at the same time. EDIT3: You may also find this useful. It's Scandinavian generally, not just Swedish though: Scandinavian/Nordic Language Resources Edited by montmorency on 30 September 2013 at 9:48pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jamopy Newbie EnglandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4379 days ago 26 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 52 of 69 01 October 2013 at 11:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
At £200 for 10 lessons i could probably hire a private tutor for cheaper than Swedish made easy. Not that i'm going to do that either. I've spent money on lessons before when i started Swedish and it seemed a very uneconomical way of learning. The other links look good! Both seem to have tons of basic dialogue that i could wrap my ears around and practice with. Thanks for the suggestions. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4157 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 53 of 69 02 October 2013 at 8:01am | IP Logged | |||||
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Meanwhile I saw that video with the professor, and totally shadowed him as he was talking. I wasn't walking, but I was very focused. It does help with picking up the music and rythm of the language, but I don't think it would help me learn wodrs etc.
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| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4107 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 54 of 69 02 October 2013 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Why don't you think you could learn words by shadowing?
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| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4157 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 55 of 69 02 October 2013 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It was too fast for me. It helped with other things, but not with remembering words. Of course I may be wrong, as I haven't really used it consistently.
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| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4107 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 56 of 69 03 October 2013 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm surprised. Did you go beyond blind shadowing, so that you were also consulting the L1
and L2 translations? If you did this, shadowed thoroughly, then wrote out the text in your scriptorium, I'm certain that the words would stick, and without any list-style vocab learning. If you can recite the lyrics of any song you know and love, you have proved for yourself the validity of shadowing. If that sounds specious, think about how many times you've sung along to that song, or at least sub-vocally sung along; or about how you've revisited that song's lyrics and thought about what the words might mean; or about times when you've had the song running around in your head all day. Despite the fact that it sounds like hocus pocus compared with well-established learning methods, shadowing is nothing more than a regime of repetition. All the successful methods are. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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