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| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5875 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes  1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 73 of 151 23 January 2014 at 9:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think Spaß and spastisch are actually both long vocals.. I think the thing that makes them sound different is the [s]. Spastisch is voiced and Spaß is voicelss. At the end of a word, s and ß are both voiceless. Voiceless is like a hissing sound. Spaß, Fuß, groß, fies, Glas. But when you extend the root or make the plural form of Glas and fies, the voicless [s] changes to a voiced [s]. fies - fieser Glas - Gläser Eis - eisig Gas - Gase Hals - Hälse So if you're not sure if it should be s or ß, extend the word or make the plural. If the [s] changes, then it's one s. There should be a slight vibration to it like the buzzing of a bee. That's the only way I can think to explain it, since some equate the voiced [s] to more of "z" sound -- as opposed to hissing. Of course there's always memorization, which is often preferable to buzzing or hissing ;) Edited by Sunja on 23 January 2014 at 9:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4634 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 74 of 151 23 January 2014 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Sorry to correct you, Sunja, but the second s in "spastisch" is definitely not voiced and the a is short. A voiced s in the combination st doesn't exist.
However, I think Serpent was referring to the first s, which is pronounced like sh. That distinguishes "Spaß" clearly from English "spaz". 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4323 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 75 of 151 23 January 2014 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
I am sorry to derail the conversation into something that is really not German related. "Spastic" has a short vowel. "Spas/Spass/Spaz" definitely has a long form (at least in Australian English). Actually, now that I think about it it's the same as "as" in "has", which is also a long-a. Serpent: yes, you are right. The 's' is different. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5875 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 76 of 151 24 January 2014 at 9:07am | IP Logged | |||||
I happily stand corrected ;) I was trying too hard to make a connection there 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4663 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 77 of 151 25 January 2014 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I like the German voicing of the 's', and I find it much easier than the voicing of it
in English. So, I assume time hasn't run out for the translation task: Linky Edited by stifa on 25 January 2014 at 10:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5772 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 78 of 151 25 January 2014 at 11:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
The team challenge ends on 31st January. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4311 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 79 of 151 25 January 2014 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
If I remember correctly, "sp" is (or at least was) pronounced as written (and not as "schp") in some regions in the North, eg. Hamburg, Bremen. I'm thinking about "Käptn Blaubär" here, if you want to here what it sounds like on youtube. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6946 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 80 of 151 29 January 2014 at 10:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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A couple of years ago I posted a link to the online videos and transcripts in several foreign languages at LangMedia.
Since I first stumbled on the site, the colleges involved have added more videos (and their transcripts). For your interest, here are the German ones. German in Germany (a lot of video reenactments of phrases or exchanges in phrasebooks; a handy way to see "phrasebook material" in action) Enjoy. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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