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Toufik18 Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Algeria Joined 5745 days ago 188 posts - 202 votes Speaks: Arabic (Written)*, Arabic (classical)*, French, English
| Message 33 of 97 22 February 2010 at 4:33pm | IP Logged |
The Price is Right ?
What's that?!
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 34 of 97 22 February 2010 at 4:49pm | IP Logged |
Pyx wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
Learned English from Star Wars, did I, Mmmmm.
Effective it was. |
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Are you guys planning to make that joke a couple more times? How about you get it all out of your system now, and then we can get back to actual experiences? |
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Given that the last time that joke was made was over a year and a half ago, I thought it might be funny again by now.
s_allard wrote:
I'm a
strong believer in the repetitive use of excerpts with closed-captioning where that is available. Note that this is
not the same as subtitles of films. Closed-captioning in North America is the actual transcription (admittedly not
always very accurate) of the spoken words. |
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That is the same thing as subtitles, as that's what we call closed-captioning in most of the rest of the world. Subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing (closed captions) are never an exact transcription because most people can't read subtitles as fast as they can hear while simultaneously trying to follow the action. On top of that, as soon as you lose tone of voice you introduce ambiguity, so sentences that work perfectly well on the soundtrack need to be completely rewritten for the subtitles.
William Camden wrote:
Oswald's Russian was apparently quite good, especially considering that he had done badly in a formal exam only months before. He explained his relatively good Russian as resulting from listening to Radio Moscow. There is however speculation that Oswald received intensive Russian-language training at some point that year, perhaps from an intelligence agency. |
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Hmmm... If Oswald had had intensive formal training, he would have done well in a formal exam. If Oswald had learned informally, that would explain the poor exam performance but reasonable conversational proficiency.
Exams tend to test language knowledge rather than ability, after all...
Edited by Cainntear on 22 February 2010 at 4:58pm
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| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5586 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French
| Message 35 of 97 22 February 2010 at 5:19pm | IP Logged |
My German comprehension is improving greatly from watching rap videos and interviews. I pair body language with what they are saying to interpret the meaning, and have a big dictionary to look up a few things.
I believe it can work, especially after using a good base program like Assimil or something else. TV/Music are VERY important for learning languages (for me anyways) I wouldn't learn without them.
I definitely plan on using these resources more. :)
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| Paskwc Pentaglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5678 days ago 450 posts - 624 votes Speaks: Hindi, Urdu*, Arabic (Levantine), French, English Studies: Persian, Spanish
| Message 36 of 97 22 February 2010 at 5:46pm | IP Logged |
If you think about it, people spend an exorbitant amount of time with their
televisions. For better of for worse, this is especially true for young children. Does
a two year old much Swede much prefer Swedish programming to English programming? I'd
have to guess no. With enough exposure, TV can plant enough English in young people so
as to enable comprehension.
If this same Swede were to later be taught English at school, the school would be
building upon what the television imparted. If someone were to ask me when I learned
English, I would say when I was a young child. Only if further prompted, would I add
that my learning extended into my late teens and continues. Thus, I see the rationale
behind saying that TV teaches English.
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| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6126 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish
| Message 37 of 97 22 February 2010 at 10:01pm | IP Logged |
I'm sure some people can learn this way. My grandmother, a native Finnish speaker, told me that she learned English by watching television, and she was over 50 years old at the time. She was educated and could read and write Finnish, but I don't think she had any concept of grammar at all in Finnish or English. She became pretty fluent in English, with a just a few quirky Finnish pronunciation ticks. Some of her vocabulary must have come from reading because, for example, she always pronounced the English 'j' as if it was Finnish. It was always "put on your yacket."
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| Delodephius Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 5404 days ago 342 posts - 501 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Serbo-Croatian*, EnglishC1, Czech Studies: Russian, Japanese
| Message 38 of 97 23 February 2010 at 2:30am | IP Logged |
I watched a lot of Cartoon Network, especially Dragon Ball Z. :-D
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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6273 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 39 of 97 23 February 2010 at 3:43pm | IP Logged |
William Camden wrote:
Oswald's Russian was apparently quite good, especially considering that he had done badly in a formal exam only months before. He explained his relatively good Russian as resulting from listening to Radio Moscow. There is however speculation that Oswald received intensive Russian-language training at some point that year, perhaps from an intelligence agency. |
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(Cainntear) Hmmm... If Oswald had had intensive formal training, he would have done well in a formal exam. If Oswald had learned informally, that would explain the poor exam performance but reasonable conversational proficiency.
Exams tend to test language knowledge rather than ability, after all... |
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In the Russian test, taken in late February 1959, Oswald's worst performance was apparently in understanding spoken Russian. That summer, he apparently spoke passable Russian, albeit with another L2 speaker of the language, who was learning the language from a tutor in her case. If, as many believe, he went on some crash course in the language, he probably did it sometime between failing the test and talking to the Russian-speaking woman. He "defected" to the USSR in October that year.
Edited by William Camden on 23 February 2010 at 3:45pm
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| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6035 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds
| Message 40 of 97 23 February 2010 at 4:41pm | IP Logged |
Cool ^_^
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