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| Kotatko Newbie United States Joined 5308 days ago 16 posts - 23 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Russian, Czech | Message 89 of 97 15 May 2010 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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My Romanian friend claims to have learned most of her English from watching movies throughout her life and her English is almost flawless. Perhaps it is because she started watching these movies when she was a girl. She has had a few passive English lessons, but I was the first native speaker that she has ever met. Immersion is not enough. I have lived in Prague for over 4 years and still am at a beginner level of Czech. I never really started to comprehend things until I started studying it; having a Czech boyfriend has not really helped too much either. I still think self-study and language courses are the key to success.
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| rjtrudel Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6828 days ago 36 posts - 56 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 90 of 97 23 August 2010 at 2:41am | IP Logged | |||||
That is the same thing as subtitles, as that's what we call closed-captioning in most of the rest of the world. Subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing (closed captions) are never an exact transcription because most people can't read subtitles as fast as they can hear while simultaneously trying to follow the action. On top of that, as soon as you lose tone of voice you introduce ambiguity, so sentences that work perfectly well on the soundtrack need to be completely rewritten for the subtitles.
Hmmm... If Oswald had had intensive formal training, he would have done well in a formal exam. If Oswald had learned informally, that would explain the poor exam performance but reasonable conversational proficiency. Exams tend to test language knowledge rather than ability, after all...[/QUOTE] 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| rjtrudel Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6828 days ago 36 posts - 56 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 91 of 97 23 August 2010 at 2:49am | IP Logged | |||||
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Quoting doesnt work so well on an ipad. Sorry........
"That is the same thing as subtitles, as that's what we call closed-captioning in most of the rest of the world. Subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing (closed captions) are never an exact transcription because most people can't read subtitles as fast as they can hear while simultaneously trying to follow the action. On top of that, as soon as you lose tone of voice you introduce ambiguity, so sentences that work perfectly well on the soundtrack need to be completely rewritten for the subtitles." I think you are wrong. 99% of the cc i have watched in the US replicates exactly what is said. Subtitles on movies do not. Maybe its different in the US but i leave cc on all the time and it DOES match. The only caveat is live programming. Here the captioner has to keep up with the speaking and loses some words here and there. However, when i watch a rerun of a live show, almost always the error have been corrected. I watch hbo latino all the time and their closed captioning in Spanish matches what they dub close to 100% . Same movie on dvd, the subtitles do not match. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Keith Diglot Moderator JapanRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6778 days ago 526 posts - 536 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 92 of 97 23 August 2010 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Let me add a little to help clear up a point.
Closed Captioning is not the same thing as Subtitles. Closed Captioning is for the hearing impaired. With that in mind, closed captioning includes words for sounds or sound effects, such as "raspberry." These things can't be heard by the hearing impaired but may be important to understand what is going on in the story. I haven't watched closed captioning in a long time so I can't give any other examples, but I would guess if the character on screen is hearing gunfire, the closed captioning will say something like <*gunfire*>. I don't recall how the sound effects are enclosed. Subtitles are not for the hearing impaired so audible sounds are not included in subtitles. Subtitles are usually a cheap alternative to dubbing and so therefor are not in the same language as the original audio. However, I do know that China has subtitles on the majority of its TV programming, so the subtitles are actually in the same language as the original most of the time, which is Mandarin. But I believe it also helps Chinese people who don't speak standard Mandarin. I think it is also a good way to promote and maintain literacy of a script that uses thousands of different characters. I hope that everyone will be able to understand the difference between Subtitles and Closed Captioning now. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| justberta Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5586 days ago 140 posts - 170 votes Speaks: English, Norwegian* Studies: Indonesian, German, Spanish, Russian | Message 93 of 97 09 December 2010 at 10:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I wouldn't be learning language 6 right now if it weren't for endless hours and days in
my teens watching Dawson Leery and his Creek... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| koba Heptaglot Senior Member AustriaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5869 days ago 118 posts - 201 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Hungarian, French | Message 94 of 97 11 December 2010 at 1:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, I don't believe one can learn a language watching a single show, that's a bit
exaggerated, but if you do an immersion and combine a lot of material (Music, Movies, TV Shows, etc) you can definitely develop your communication skills and it does feel more natural this way than learning through books, at least from my experience. I've learned most of my English having fun, so, translating songs to my native language, rewatching movies with subtitles and other kinds of shows. I did that for 4 years and after that I could speak it pretty fluent. I didn't use any books, all I had were online dictionaries and some people who I used to write to, and I picked up a lot of grammar that way. Nowadays English is no problem at all for me, I don't even have to think to speak it, it just flows like it's my native language, even though I might commit mistakes sometimes, I'm alright with that. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| justberta Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5586 days ago 140 posts - 170 votes Speaks: English, Norwegian* Studies: Indonesian, German, Spanish, Russian | Message 95 of 97 11 December 2010 at 1:54am | IP Logged | |||||
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Of course I also translated endless songs, read books, listened to other TV channels,
websurfing, chatting. Same here I don't have to think to speak it. I can't say the same for my native language anymore however... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Deji Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5441 days ago 116 posts - 182 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Hindi, Bengali | Message 96 of 97 15 December 2010 at 7:22am | IP Logged | |||||
Interest has something to do with it, esp for kids. But it is slow and frustrating without a good bit of vocab. On the other hand, you could listen to a TL show instead of reading all these posts! (And writing your own!) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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