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Марк
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 Message 89 of 162
16 March 2012 at 11:44am | IP Logged 
aodhanc wrote:
Iversen, that's excellent.

I'm glad that you aren't deterred by the negativity.

Galway is indeed one of the main centres in Ireland for the language, but not so much
in
the city itself. I would recommend you venture out to the villages a few kilometers to
the west and you will be in the Irish-speaking heartland..... Bearna, An Spiddéal,
Indreabhán and further out to Ros a Mhil.

Irish people will be so astounded to hear a Dane speaking Irish, they won't believe it!
For practice on pronunciation, I would recommed watching some Irish-language TV
online..... TG4.ie

Irish is quite popular abroad now, isn't it? Will they be glad to hear a Russian
speaking irish?
The grammar seems very difficult for me, the vocabulary is not, the pronunciation of
consonants is easy, but long and short vowels are difficult while speaking, although
easy to pronounce separately. In general the pronunciation is much easier than that
English. The main problem are the dialects and the standart language.
What do other people in Ireland think of Irish?

Edited by Марк on 16 March 2012 at 11:46am

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aodhanc
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 Message 90 of 162
16 March 2012 at 12:46pm | IP Logged 
A Russian speaking Irish would of course be welcome, but people's main reaction would be
complete surprise.
It would be similar to a Japanese person speaking Basque.

As for Irish dialects, there is not that much difference between them. Ireland being a
small country, with a small number of Irish speakers, it means only slight differences in
pronunciation.

Munster Irish is the standard version taught in schools and used for official purposes.
Connacht Irish is very similar to that version, with Ulster (Donegal) Irish being more
distant, but not enough to cause any significant problem in communication.
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Марк
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 Message 91 of 162
16 March 2012 at 12:52pm | IP Logged 
Sorry, I'll repeat my question, what do English monoglots think of Irish in Ireland?
Do they approve its status, do they think it is just a waste of money to support it, do
they value the ability to speak it?
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 Message 92 of 162
16 March 2012 at 1:59pm | IP Logged 
Teango wrote:
It always strikes me as sad when people don't want to speak or learn
about their own language and cultural heritage. So very sad.

I've often spoken at length about this subject with good Ukrainian friends of mine, as
well as people from other countries. They tell me that the Ukrainian language was heavily
oppressed in the Soviet Union. Children studied Ukrainian at school, but no-one really
spoke it or saw much use for it.

Do you believe them? All the Ukrainian revival is built on oppressing of Russian.
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 Message 93 of 162
16 March 2012 at 2:40pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
Sorry, I'll repeat my question, what do English monoglots think of Irish
in Ireland?
Do they approve its status, do they think it is just a waste of money to support it, do
they value the ability to speak it?


I would say that the attitude of most Irish people towards the language is
indifference. In theory, they would like to preserve it, but in reality they don't
really do anything about it.

If you ask Irish people, do you want to keep Irish as an official language? 99% would
probably say yes. But in practice, they don't use it or promote it.

It is expensive.... the government spends about EUR500m per year on the Irish language
in education / official documents / media etc.

Some people think that money could be better spend on other things.
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Марк
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 Message 94 of 162
16 March 2012 at 6:45pm | IP Logged 
I think there is an easy way to learn Irish for a child now. They can watch cartoons in
Irish on TG4. They can pick up a lot of things like that.
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 Message 95 of 162
16 March 2012 at 6:57pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
Teango wrote:
It always strikes me as sad when people don't want to speak or learn
about their own language and cultural heritage. So very sad.

I've often spoken at length about this subject with good Ukrainian friends of mine, as
well as people from other countries. They tell me that the Ukrainian language was heavily
oppressed in the Soviet Union. Children studied Ukrainian at school, but no-one really
spoke it or saw much use for it.

Do you believe them? All the Ukrainian revival is built on oppressing of Russian.


*facepalm*
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Марк
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 Message 96 of 162
16 March 2012 at 7:20pm | IP Logged 
Chung wrote:
Марк wrote:
Teango wrote:
It always strikes me as sad when people
don't want to speak or learn
about their own language and cultural heritage. So very sad.

I've often spoken at length about this subject with good Ukrainian friends of mine, as
well as people from other countries. They tell me that the Ukrainian language was
heavily
oppressed in the Soviet Union. Children studied Ukrainian at school, but no-one really
spoke it or saw much use for it.

Do you believe them? All the Ukrainian revival is built on oppressing of Russian.


*facepalm*

You think that Ukrainian was heavily oppressed in the Soviet Union too?
You have some arguments? why don't express them? Anyway this statement is nonsense.
The Ukrainian language was supported that time.

Edited by Марк on 16 March 2012 at 7:36pm



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