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| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5347 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes  Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 33 of 96 31 January 2013 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
You're right, that is a cabbage! To be honest though, I think most of my friends and family would say that the image of kapusta is a cabbage too. I guess lack of knowledge on cabbages is the reason. :) I´ve never heard of kel or cale in English. I was defining the typical Czech purple/yellow finished product that we see on plates, rather than the original vegetable. Funnily enough, I translated zelí today to my students as being cabbage (based on this discussion) and they didn´t accept the translation and would only accept sauerkraut as the right word (because they´ve heard that translation from me and other teachers many times before over the years)! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 34 of 96 31 January 2013 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Although there is kale and I just had some last night in my vegetable soup. 
If you're botanically-minded, compare the list of cultivars in Brukev zelná - zelí - Brassica oleracea. The relevant species is Brassica_oleracea with cabbages, kale, broccoli, cauliflower and Brussel sprouts being cultivars.
For this digression in zelí, kapusta and kel, it can be gathered that: "(ordinary) cabbage" is formally Brassica oleracea Capitata group hlávkové zelí (CZ), hlávková kapusta (SK) "Savoy cabbage" is formally Brassica oleracea Capitata group, var. sabauda L. hlávková kapusta (CZ), kel (SK) "kale" is formally Brassica oleracea Acephala group jarmuz (kadeřavá/krmná kapusta) (CZ), kučeravý kel (SK) Note the false friend of hlávková kapusta (i.e. Savoy cabbage to a Czech, ordinary cabbage to a Slovak). Trivia: In Slovak there's the exclamation Do kelu! which can correspond to "damn it!" or "to hell (with)..." (e.g. Do kelu s týmto letom! "to hell with this summer!). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 35 of 96 01 February 2013 at 2:39am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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About the similar or different words:
horký Czech-hot Slovak-bitter (Czech hořký) a burning difference :-) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5347 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 36 of 96 13 February 2013 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Time for an update.
I've been feeling very sluggish lately regarding languages. 3 visitors and then the flu had a negative impact on my motivation. I didn't actually stop working on my languages because luckily some activities are firmly fixed into my routine and very difficult to break. For example my TV is obviously only in Czech, so even if I'm feeling in a couch potato mood, it still has to be in Czech. I also don't own a car so have to walk everywhere and this means that I'm always listening to my MP3 (or MP4, not sure) while walking. I've been very careful not to put anything English on there, so that means that Czech music or Czech, Spanish or Hungarian language courses are the only options; lately Spanish has been enjoying some favouritism. At home, there is not much to do to entertain myself, so generally even when I'm really feeling lazy, reading a book is really the only option apart from watching TV and I don't buy English books. At the moment the book I'm reading is the 3rd book in the Inkheart series in Czech. Then there's speaking. Even in a mega lazy mood, I have to speak Czech many times a day and luckily have the instinct to speak Czech to my wife. The problem mainly comes with Hungarian, but I've managed to squeeze a few minutes of Hungarian out of myself here and there and have written another chapter of my stupid story for Maxval to correct. Right now I have Kossuth radio playing in the background, so something at least. The light at the end of the tunnel for me at the moment is that next Tuesday I'm starting a Spanish conversation class. That's given me more motivation for Spanish and as a result I've written a couple of emails in Spanish and, as I said, listened to my TY:PERFECT YOUR Spanish course. I often hear polyglots saying that there's no such thing as a person who doesn't have a head for languages. Maybe not, but I'm starting to think I don't have the personality for languages, I need to be more social to really test myself, but I just don't enjoy socialising enough. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 37 of 96 13 February 2013 at 11:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Do you have any plans for travelling in the next little while? Upcoming trips typically raise my motivation sufficiently where I'll put in some time when I couldn't summon the desire otherwise. My efforts in BCMS/SC and Turkish have been benefitting from prospective trips despite my borderline obsession for a handful of other languages. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5347 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 38 of 96 14 February 2013 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Trips are always a great motivation for me too. I'll hopefully be going to Budapest for the Polyglot Conference in May and once that is confirmed then my motivation in all my languages should increase. Other than that there's a good chance of me going to Slovakia in July and maybe to Poland for a wedding in July too. These are all great motivators, but unfortunately none are certain yet. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5830 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 39 of 96 14 February 2013 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I often feel the same way. I could not imagine my life without studying languages, but I don't enjoy socialising much, especially not with complete strangers, so at times I wonder why bother learning other languages. But I have made some good friendships through my knowledge of other languages and of course speaking a language is only one aspect. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5347 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 40 of 96 15 February 2013 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I couldn't imagine mine without languages either, despite my social ineptness. Maybe the reason people like us are so passionate about languages is because we're compensating for some sort of lacking in other communication areas. It's very possible for me at least. The weird thing for me is that I love actually speaking foreign languages (not English though), even though at the same time I don't like socialising. Anyway, thanks to both you and Chung for the encouragement. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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