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QiuJP Triglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 5856 days ago 428 posts - 597 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Czech, GermanB1, Russian, Japanese
| Message 41 of 95 14 April 2009 at 9:41pm | IP Logged |
ellasevia wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
To the thread starter: You missed out Occitan! I am in Southern France now and there are many Occitan books and study materials. Occitan is very close to Catalan and yet you can see that it is also close to French especially in grammar.I think Occitan sounds like French spoken in Spanish,but I do not know whther this statement is correct........ |
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I meant this to be for the major six Romance languages, which are generally listed as Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Catalan, and Romanian. Languages such as Occitan, Sardinian, Corsican, Romansh, and others are usually considered minor Romance languages. |
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I tend to disagree, because Occitan was suppressed in the past in France like Catalan was in Spain. There is a great revival of the language because of the recognition of Occitan as a regional language in the EU, which is about the same case as in Catalan.(There might be other factors that I do know through). Besides that, Occitania covers a big area about half of France with 13 million people having the heritage. If Catalan is considered as a major language, Occitan must also be a major language.
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| guilon Pentaglot Senior Member Spain Joined 6193 days ago 226 posts - 229 votes Speaks: Spanish*, PortugueseC2, FrenchC2, Italian, English
| Message 42 of 95 15 April 2009 at 2:51am | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
I simply don't understand this discussion. There are people whose intonation and choice of words
can make any language shine, and there are those that could make any language sound like something that came
out of the backside of an ork. |
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You may be right about specific speakers, but there is a clear tendency to like some languages more than others as
a whole, regardless of particularities or individualities. If I were asked which Germanic language I like the most I
wouldn't hesitate to say that Swedish is by far my favourite because of its tonalities and its unique vocalic sounds.
Things can also be considered from a general point of view.
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| Xaviq Bilingual Tetraglot Newbie Spain Joined 5703 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan*, French, EnglishC1 Studies: German, Latin
| Message 43 of 95 15 April 2009 at 8:50pm | IP Logged |
QiuJP wrote:
I tend to disagree, because Occitan was suppressed in the past in France like Catalan was in Spain. There is a great revival of the language because of the recognition of Occitan as a regional language in the EU, which is about the same case as in Catalan.(There might be other factors that I do know through). Besides that, Occitania covers a big area about half of France with 13 million people having the heritage. If Catalan is considered as a major language, Occitan must also be a major language. |
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I do not think we should consider Occitan as "important" as the big Six just because of the reasons you expose. Firstly, we are talking about current importance, therefore, I guess the fact Occitan was suppressed for a long time has little to do with the discussion. And secondly, and I consider this totally essential, mixing the terms Occitania and Occitan is not correct at all: 13 million people who consider themselves Occitan does not mean there are 13 million Occitan speakers, but only a couple or three, being quite generous. Catalan is spoken by 10 million people, there's a huge difference, and after all, I suppouse this is what counts the most.
I vote for Italian, by the way. The most delicate Romance language in my opinion.
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| ellasevia Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2011 Senior Member Germany Joined 6143 days ago 2150 posts - 3229 votes Speaks: English*, German, Croatian, Greek, French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Catalan, Persian, Mandarin, Japanese, Romanian, Ukrainian
| Message 44 of 95 16 April 2009 at 1:30am | IP Logged |
Xaviq wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
I tend to disagree, because Occitan was suppressed in the past in France like Catalan was in Spain. There is a great revival of the language because of the recognition of Occitan as a regional language in the EU, which is about the same case as in Catalan.(There might be other factors that I do know through). Besides that, Occitania covers a big area about half of France with 13 million people having the heritage. If Catalan is considered as a major language, Occitan must also be a major language. |
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I do not think we should consider Occitan as "important" as the big Six just because of the reasons you expose. Firstly, we are talking about current importance, therefore, I guess the fact Occitan was suppressed for a long time has little to do with the discussion. And secondly, and I consider this totally essential, mixing the terms Occitania and Occitan is not correct at all: 13 million people who consider themselves Occitan does not mean there are 13 million Occitan speakers, but only a couple or three, being quite generous. Catalan is spoken by 10 million people, there's a huge difference, and after all, I suppouse this is what counts the most.
I vote for Italian, by the way. The most delicate Romance language in my opinion. |
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Yes, I have also done some research myself and here are the number of native speakers of each of the Romance languages in this survey (plus Catalan and Occitan):
SPANISH: 322 million
PORTUGUESE: 191-230 million
FRENCH: 90 million
ITALIAN: 70 million
ROMANIAN: 24 million
CATALAN: 6.7 million
OCCITAN: 2 million
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| khatrineluz Newbie Philippines Joined 5754 days ago 8 posts - 8 votes Studies: English
| Message 45 of 95 16 April 2009 at 7:56am | IP Logged |
I voted for French but I also find Spanish language romantic.
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| Z.J.J Senior Member China Joined 5609 days ago 243 posts - 305 votes Speaks: Mandarin*
| Message 46 of 95 04 August 2009 at 9:46am | IP Logged |
I voted for Italian, the second for French, & the third for Portuguese (Brazilian).
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| Aquedita Triglot Senior Member Poland myspace.com/aqueda_v Joined 6015 days ago 154 posts - 164 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese Studies: Mandarin
| Message 47 of 95 06 August 2009 at 8:40pm | IP Logged |
Come on people, gotta be Spanish, no contest! :D
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| Kyrie Senior Member United States clandestein.deviantaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5730 days ago 207 posts - 231 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese
| Message 48 of 95 06 August 2009 at 9:29pm | IP Logged |
I don't see why Portuguese is the second to last. It has way more sounds than Spanish, and in my opinion, is the most beautiful. No competition.
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