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| B-Tina Tetraglot Senior Member Germany dragonsallaroun Joined 5529 days ago 123 posts - 218 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Polish | Message 41 of 125 17 October 2010 at 10:23am | IP Logged | |||||
I largely agree with Lucas, just one small note:
This holds true for a vast amount of phonemes - however, there is an exception to the rule: ż/rz and u/ó are pronounced the same way (quite a lot of Poles seems to have trouble with spelling at this point as well, though). 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6044 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 42 of 125 20 October 2010 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't think it's harder than Czech. Probably the same? Just wondering. I'm interested in learning some Polish.
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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5180 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 43 of 125 22 October 2010 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It's Polish grammar which is hard, there are some many rules, and exceptions from them.
One Polish language learner said once thing like it's not that Polish has a lot of irregular verb, it just has few regular ones. I mean, cases verbs. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Felipe Monteiro Triglot Newbie Brazil Joined 5549 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, German, English Studies: Polish | Message 44 of 125 04 December 2010 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think this is a very common idea. People in Brazil also think that portuguese is an extremely hard language, but now I think that it is very easy for forners to learn portuguese.
Actually polish phonology is very easy for me, because it matches very well portuguese sounds. Spelling isn't that tricky, but it is tricky enough that I make errors in nearly everything I write. German was a lot easier when it comes to spelling. On the other hand I have to say that polish grammer has been brutally hard for me. Declension changes sometimes if something is animate or not, there are effectively 2 plurals (2,3,4,22,23,24,32,33,34,etc are declinated differently then the rest of the plurals) and verbs in singular are used for one of the plurals and in plural for the other one o.O (example: 5 kobieta jest ...) The dual verb system is also very hard for me to grasp ... and there are so many verbs, so many!!! It seams that for each small difference in an action comes up a new verb, while in portuguese we just reuse the same set of verbs for everything. But I think that all of these stuff is the same for russian, so I would say that both are very hard if you don't know any slavic language yet. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| michau Tetraglot Groupie Norway lang-8.com/member/49 Joined 6228 days ago 86 posts - 135 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, NorwegianC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish, Sign Language Studies: Burmese, Toki Pona, Greenlandic | Message 45 of 125 04 December 2010 at 4:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
Just a small correction: 1 kobieta jest ... 2(3,4,22,23,...) kobiety są ... 5(6,...) kobiet jest ... Yes, it's hard. My native speaker intuition tells me the plural for 5 or more items stems from an expression "a group of", since its declension is similar: grupa 2(3,4,5,6,...) kobiet jest ... = a group of X women is ... Now the equivalence isn't complete though, since in "grupa 5 kobiet" the number is in genetive ("grupa pięciu kobiet"), while in "5 kobiet jest ..." the number is in nominative ("pięć kobiet jest ..."). So yeah, one still needs to memorise all the forms and rules. Good luck with learning Polish! Edited by michau on 04 December 2010 at 4:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| B-Tina Tetraglot Senior Member Germany dragonsallaroun Joined 5529 days ago 123 posts - 218 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Polish | Message 46 of 125 05 December 2010 at 2:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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michau: I noticed that you provide a text on Eläkeläiset on lang-8, so I just wanted to congratulate you on your excellent taste of music! ;-) Do you know the Polish Humppa Team?
On topic: the numerals still creep me out, so I totally agree with all of you that this is one of the worst parts polish grammar has to offer. Aspects and irregular declension/conjugation is hard as well, although I made some good experiences using the 10,000 sentences method (exposure, exposure, exposure). 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| michau Tetraglot Groupie Norway lang-8.com/member/49 Joined 6228 days ago 86 posts - 135 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, NorwegianC1, Mandarin Studies: Spanish, Sign Language Studies: Burmese, Toki Pona, Greenlandic | Message 47 of 125 05 December 2010 at 11:00am | IP Logged | |||||
LOL, thanks. :) Yeah, I've heard of PHT. I thought it's a shame that Eläkeläiset is better known in Poland than in neighbouring Norway, so I decided to make an article about them in Norwegian Wikipedia, and wanted lang-8 people to check its correctness.
I tried to learn some Czech some time ago, so I understand how hard Polish can be for a foreigner (Czech is related to Polish, but different enough to require learning declension rules from scratch). If I continued with Czech I would probably use Anki or other SRS to memorise: - for all declension classes: the declension of a typical member of that class, - important exceptions, - for all prepositions and important verbs: what case is required by a given verb or preposition. I guess this should apply equally well to Polish. Edited by michau on 05 December 2010 at 11:01am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Felipe Monteiro Triglot Newbie Brazil Joined 5549 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, German, English Studies: Polish | Message 48 of 125 05 December 2010 at 4:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
What is Anki and SRS? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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