sipes23 Diglot Senior Member United States pluteopleno.com/wprs Joined 4898 days ago 134 posts - 235 votes Speaks: English*, Latin Studies: Spanish, Ancient Greek, Persian
| Message 17 of 109 11 June 2012 at 1:34am | IP Logged |
David Hayter wrote:
It's clear that a group of (probably) monolingual, definitely Chomskian linguists (who
were particularly stupid and inept) |
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That made me laugh. And probably will make me laugh every time I see that yellow box.
David Hayter wrote:
So, if you want to learn a language with ... non SVO word order, etc. ? NO WAY. |
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Why do you say that? Spanish would seem to have some definite SOV elements, but I'm not over familiar with RS
beyond the free samples. I'm curious, since if I saw a used copy at a price that appealed to me I'd buy it.
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tibbles Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5219 days ago 245 posts - 422 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean
| Message 18 of 109 11 June 2012 at 6:30am | IP Logged |
David Hayter wrote:
Levels 1-5 cover
about 95% of the grammar, and give you a whole lot more vocabulary in the last 2
levels. You'd be a lot closer to going for B1-2 at this point than just with 1-3. |
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No way. I did levels 1-5 of RS Spanish, and I would say at best it put me at A1 (maybe low A2), tops. Also, while sheer vocabulary count does not imply fluency, the fact is that even levels 1-5 probably have only 30-50% of the vocabulary of Assimil. The reason that RS is nearly universally criticized here is that it represents an opportunity loss in time/effort/money. Sure, I learned from using RS Spanish, and I am fine with that. But the fact is I could have started something like Assimil or FSI 2-3 months earlier if I hadn't done Rosetta Stone.
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magictom123 Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5621 days ago 272 posts - 365 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French
| Message 19 of 109 11 June 2012 at 9:16am | IP Logged |
I would be interested to hear David's response to Benny's review of Rosetta Stone:
Rosetta Stone review
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Eumaeus Groupie Australia Joined 5632 days ago 75 posts - 134 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian
| Message 22 of 109 12 June 2012 at 4:05am | IP Logged |
The first program I ever purchased was Rosetta Stone. The guy at the language shop pitched it as the
greatest thing ever and the only program I would need. After beginning with much enthusiasm it didn't take
long for me to feel disappointed and then ripped off. Not long after that, I discovered this forum and have
since used Assimil, FSI, Even Millner's podcasts and a range of others, with exiting and encouraging results
When I think back now to my Rosetta Stone experience I feel exploited.
As to that clown Benny. I think he is a thoroughly decent fellow who passes on his knowledge and experience
in good faith and is a great source of inspiration for a lot of people.
Oh, and by the way, the review the aforementioned clown's Mandarin charade by a language school in China
was quite positive.
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newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6407 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map
| Message 23 of 109 12 June 2012 at 4:27am | IP Logged |
There is no place on this forum for name calling, particularly of forum members so please knock it off. (This is directed to David.)
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Eumaeus Groupie Australia Joined 5632 days ago 75 posts - 134 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian
| Message 24 of 109 12 June 2012 at 6:00am | IP Logged |
My previous post has no context now that the post I was responding to has been deleted.
Just to clarify, the parts about Benny were in response to a post from David Hayter. I was using his words.
Unlike Mr Hayter, I don't think Benny is a clown or his language learning experiments a charade.
I do, however, think Rosetta Stone is about as effective as playing charades.
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