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| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5080 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes  Studies: Italian | Message 49 of 50 26 April 2011 at 10:26am | IP Logged | ||
This surely underlines my earlier point? If even a native-speaking and university-educated professional person like Robert would have to prepare specially in order to pass a "D1" level test, then it must be way beyond any remotely normal or average level - even among educated "white collar" people? Anyway, what is the point of "D1" unless there were also a "D2"? And THAT really would be right off the scale...! :-0 UPDATE When I referred to "white collar workers", I didn't mean to imply that all "blue collar workers" are automatically less literate. (I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression about this.) Edited by Romanist on 26 April 2011 at 2:15pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6501 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 50 of 50 26 April 2011 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Becoming so good at a foreign language that you can read even the toughest texts and understand the most cryptic verbal utterances from natives is a noble goal, but these texts and utterances will typically represent either some kind of deliberately obscure literature or some kind of technical prose (including juridical texts). I have dealt with some of those things, including French poetry and German and French philosophical texts, and I have grown somewhat impatient with obstructionist texts. If a text is almost impossible to understand then it is not necessarily the fault of the language learner, but it could also be blamed on an incompetent native writer or someone who deliberately tries to be obscure. Sometimes you find a gem, but it is not always worth spending your efforts on pretentious babble.
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