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| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4465 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes  Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 73 of 196 28 March 2014 at 9:26am | IP Logged | ||
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You know, you might solve yourself some problems with handwriting if you forgo the vowel marks.
In common speech, the tanween are usually dropped, unless it's the idafa, so kitabun is pronounced kitab but kitabun Muhammadin becomes kitab Muhammadin. The sample sentences also get easier: Al walad jameel. Al ghurfat kabirat. الولد خميل. الغرفة كببرة. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 4830 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 74 of 196 28 March 2014 at 11:16am | IP Logged | ||
I thought proper nouns were not nunated in everyday speech. So I think it should be kitab muhammad and not kitab muhammadin. Further, the mudaf is definite, so it does not take a tanween either. So, in formal Arabic, it would be kitabu muhammadin. All this is very new for me so I may be wrong. :-) Could an advanced student(Luso?) or a native speaker please help? 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| nancydowns Senior Member United States Joined 3736 days ago 184 posts - 288 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 75 of 196 28 March 2014 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am sure that at the level of Arabic I am at right now, I am probably in over my head! But since I posted a picture of my writing, I do think
it should be correct! :-) So I looked up this morning about proper nouns, and they also should be inflected. So if I understand this correctly, the proper written pronunciation of the sentences I wrote would be: (please let me know if I missed something!) 1. hatha miftahu Jihanin waw huwa abyad. 2. hathihi sayyarau Jihanin. 3. sayyarat-ha jadida waw jamila. (I put the dash so it would be obvious it's not a "th" sound.) 4. hatha kalbu Muhammudin, waw huwa aswad. 5. kalbhu jamil waw kahfif. I think the book I am using is just wanting to get you to write sentences right away, even though they really haven't explained all of the grammar. I guess I will just have to be aware of this and supplement with websites where I can. I have enjoyed this discussion, though, because it got me digging and I learned a lot! :-) Of course, I have no idea if adjectives should have any inflection other than adding the ta marbuta for feminine nouns... :-) Thanks Napoleon and Zireal for your help. You are both writing the answers to these things for me, but it seems like I almost have to search them out for myself to really understand! But please keep posting because it is definitely helping. Your suggestions give me a direction to head for my own study! Edited by nancydowns on 28 March 2014 at 2:47pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 4830 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 76 of 196 28 March 2014 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I PMed Luso and asked him to check my posts for mistakes.
I hope you don't mind. :-) Edited by napoleon on 28 March 2014 at 5:39pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| nancydowns Senior Member United States Joined 3736 days ago 184 posts - 288 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 77 of 196 28 March 2014 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | ||
not at all! That sounds great! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Zireael Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 4465 days ago 518 posts - 636 votes Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, Spanish Studies: German, Sign Language, Tok Pisin, Arabic (Yemeni), Old English | Message 78 of 196 28 March 2014 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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In everyday speech, jadida waw jamila becomes jadida wa jamila, the second "w" is dropped.
I'm not 100% sure about proper nouns, but nearly everything loses nunation/tanween in everyday speech. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| nancydowns Senior Member United States Joined 3736 days ago 184 posts - 288 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 79 of 196 31 March 2014 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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This is going to be a quick update, as I am packing for a three week trip. This is not a pleasure trip but for work, and there will be lots of
traveling, meetings, and conferences, so I may be a little quiet for a few weeks. I actually took my name off of the consistency log. Not because I haven't been being consistent, but because I haven't had time to update, and I probably won't for three weeks. SPANISH Total Hours: 35 (last week 7) Assimil: First Wave Lesson 31 - scriptorium Lesson 25 FSI: Unit 16 Scriptorium Unit 5 Pimsleur III: Unit 20 Coffee Break Spanish: Lesson 42 Notes in Spanish: Lesson 9 Destinos: episode 37 ARABIC Total Hours: 20.5 (last week 6) Mastering Arabic: Chapter 8 Weekly assessment: We had a nice discussion this week regarding the handwriting sample I uploaded. It was quite helpful because it made me dig into the noun cases. Chapter 8 is a review chapter, so I hope to get all of these things solidified into my mind. I will be supplementing with webpages I find on grammar points that I feel my books is just glossing over. I hope everyone has a good, productive week. I hope to update each week, still, but every last minute extra I have for the next three weeks will be spent on languages, so my time will certainly be limited! Thanks for everyone who has already given me advice, and I look forward to even more interaction in the future! Edited by nancydowns on 31 March 2014 at 4:48pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| BOLIO Senior Member United States Joined 4472 days ago 253 posts - 366 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 80 of 196 31 March 2014 at 8:58pm | IP Logged | ||
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Good job Nancy. You are doing great. I cannot imagine tackling more than Spanish right now. I am very interested in how your journey plays out. Before you know it you will have conquered something that the majority of the world only dreams about doing (especially our home country!). Good for you.
Les deseo mucho éxito أتمنى لكم النجاح 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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