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Tristano’s log 2015 [EN|FR|NL|RU|ES] | ||
Tags: Lithuanian | Burn-out | Dutch | Portuguese | Total Annihilation Challenge (TAC) | Russian | English | French | Spanish | ||
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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3846 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes  Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 121 of 177 07 April 2015 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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What if I do both?
No, I'm joking. I started to listen to Portuguese news (the actual news, not the slow ones). It's very easy to get the gist of what is said and I'm glad I studied French and Spanish before otherwise would be quite difficult. What I saw with French and Spanish is that it's easier to listen to the formal language (the difficult words are more similar to Italian than the most common ones, quite interestingly), so a difficult text or audio is actually easier than everyday colloquial speech. So something about the philosophical and sociological aspects of the sub-urbanization derivation patterns in the 17th century (just random words) it's easier to understand than "Mum, I want cookies" "no dear, you already ate the chocolate and that's enough for today". I don't have a lot of podcasts by the way. Some news and that's it. I would be glad about receiving suggestions :) I think I'll do Arabic. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3846 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 122 of 177 08 April 2015 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'll do Arabic.
I'm going to buy a book. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 5860 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 123 of 177 08 April 2015 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | ||
I've noticed this too, and it should be obvious: over the course of 2000 years, the common people managed to (slightly) mangle the common Latin words. So, you have pão-pan-pain-pane, leite-leche-lait-latte, and a many more dialectal variations. But the scientific words were left alone. Everyone knew what a lake was, but "lacustre" (concerning a lake) was beyond daily worries. So, the word stayed unchanged. I remember asking in class things like: "How do you write 'arbitrariamente' in Italian?" and my teacher would reply: "Exactly the same as in Portuguese." As the Monty Python would say: "Terrific race, the Romans! Terrific." 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3846 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 124 of 177 09 April 2015 at 10:43am | IP Logged | ||
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At first Portuguese sounded to me like drunk Spanish.
Though I still prefer Spanish for how it sounds, Portuguese has a gentler prosody that it sounds to me more similar to Italian than Spanish. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6396 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 125 of 177 10 April 2015 at 4:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, afaiu the phonetic processes generally affected more or less all words. The "educated" words are basically considered loans from Latin. In many cases they co-exist with their vulgar descendants.
A fun aspect is that Italian seems to have preserved more of those words "naturally", rather than as loans. And of course sometimes the distinction is blurry. And then there are later loans from French that have me wondering why a Danish word is the same as Romanian or Turkish... Edited by Serpent on 10 April 2015 at 4:52am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3846 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 126 of 177 13 April 2015 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Italian is the new Latin <3
Portuguese: it will take three times the time I needed with Spanish, seemingly. Dutch: this is kind of cool, I discovered that I know much more Dutch than what I thought. I went with my girlfriend to visit a friend of us, I managed to speak half the time in Dutch (I had to ask to speak slower, but they were often forgetting that :D). It's like Dutch it is inside me and it just has to come out. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 3846 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 127 of 177 14 April 2015 at 1:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Uhm, I have to admit that I don't have a structure in my studies.
I read with admiration people that can say: "I do 15 minutes of reading, 10 of grammar, 20 of listening and so on and so forth". And they do. No, either I can tie my learning to something (like taking the tram, so if I go to work by bike I don't study anymore) or it is a mistery if I will actually study. The other strategy is to do nothing else than study the language. I can't do this. I know how I did study Spanish, I know how I did study French, I still don't know how am I studying Dutch :D I brought Assimil and Methode 90 to study during the lunch break. *cough cough* never happened. I know I can trade my friends with Dutch. :( 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4708 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 128 of 177 14 April 2015 at 2:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm a lot like you: my study time is either a part of my commute/exercise time, or it's just random. I used to have a 30 minute drive, so it was perfect for doing a Pimsleur lesson each way. I've managed to embed languages enough in my life that I end up doing a fair bit every day, but it's rare that I have a fixed time set aside. Most of that random time is spent feeding my French media habit (films, TV, music, podcasts).
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