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| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4874 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 97 of 151 27 February 2014 at 12:06am | IP Logged | |||||
Wouldn't "Hans sagte, er sei krank" be more correct? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6062 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 98 of 151 27 February 2014 at 12:13am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, I'm sorry. I've corrected the original post. In fact, it could be one of the following: 1. Hans sagte, dass er krank sei. 2. Hans sagte, er sei krank. Edited by Luso on 27 February 2014 at 12:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| AlOlaf Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5149 days ago 491 posts - 617 votes Speaks: English*, GermanC2 Studies: Danish | Message 99 of 151 27 February 2014 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
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There are two groups of German nouns that I've had a hard time telling apart.
The first group consists of the so-called "weak" nouns (auf Deutsch: -n Deklination), such as "Kollege” (colleague) and “Prinz” (prince), which add -n or -en in the accusative, dative and genitive singular, as well as in all cases in plural. The second group is made up of nouns that decline exactly as if they were adjectives, such as "Angestellte" (employee) and "Beamte" (official). One source of confusion stems from the fact that, when used with the definite article, a "weak" noun and a noun declined as an adjective have the same endings, as shown below, using “Kollege” as the “weak” noun example and “Beamte” as the adjektival noun example: Singular Plural Nom der Kollege die Kollegen Acc den Kollegen die Kollegen Dat dem Kollegen den Kollegen Gen des Kollegen der Kollegen Nom der Beamte die Beamten Acc den Beamten die Beamten Dat dem Beamten den Beamten Gen des Beamten der Beamten The difference in declension shows up with the indefinite article in nominative singular; Beamte gets -r, Kollege doesn't: Singular Plural Nom ein Kollege keine Kollegen Acc einen Kollegen keine Kollegen Dat einem Kollegen keinen Kollegen Gen eines Kollegen keiner Kollegen Nom ein Beamter keine Beamten Acc einen Beamen keine Beamten Dat einem Beamten keinen Beamten Gen eines Beamten keiner Beamten With no article, the declension of Beamte deviates from that of Kollege also in nominative, accusative and genitive plural: Plural Nom Kollegen Acc Kollegen Dat Kollegen Gen Kollegen Nom Beamte Acc Beamte Dat Beamten Gen Beamter With only one exception (das Herz) (heart), all “weak” nouns are masculine. A few “weak” nouns form the genitive singular with –s instead of –(e)n: der Name – des Namens (name) der Gedanke – des Gedankens (thought) der Buchstabe – des Buchstabens (letter of the alphabet) das Herz – des Herzens (das Herz is also an exception because it doesn’t add –en in accusative singular) Sorry for the jumbled up tables-I haven't figured out how to get things lined up properly. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 100 of 151 27 February 2014 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh wow, I never consciously thought of it like this. Thank you!
Your formatting is okay imo, but if it bothers you, you can use ____ or .... instead of spaces. Also single-letter abbreviations for the cases. Edited by Serpent on 27 February 2014 at 5:20pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| AlOlaf Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5149 days ago 491 posts - 617 votes Speaks: English*, GermanC2 Studies: Danish | Message 101 of 151 28 February 2014 at 6:55am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm glad you got something out of it. Thanks for the tip with the___and...., I'll be sure to try that out the next time I want to display tables.
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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5848 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 102 of 151 28 February 2014 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Deine Deklinationstabellen erstaunen mich, AlOlaf! Sie sind grammtisch richtig, aber wir in Deutschland schreiben immer:
- Nominativ - Genitv - Dativ - Akkusativ Ich habe die Reihenfolge der Fälle noch nie anders gesehen! Fasulye 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| AlOlaf Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5149 days ago 491 posts - 617 votes Speaks: English*, GermanC2 Studies: Danish | Message 103 of 151 28 February 2014 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Bei uns ist es anders. Ein Beispiel Edited by AlOlaf on 28 February 2014 at 10:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5983 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 104 of 151 28 February 2014 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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February Challenge
danyal: Separable Verbs (Trennbare Verben) Luso: Konjunktiv I AlOlaf: Declination of "weak" nouns (e.g. "Kollege") vs declination of nouns which decline like adjectives (e.g. "Angestellte") BAnna: Relativsätze (Relative clauses) sabotai: Prepositions and pronouns I am going to be away for most of the first week of March, so I have started compiling a list of people who successfully completed the February Challenge. As I was late posting the challenge in the first place, I will accept any entries posted up to and including the 7th March, and will amend the list accordingly. As always, if there are any errors or omissions in the above, please let me know. Edited by g-bod on 01 March 2014 at 7:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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