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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4849 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes  Speaks: Russian* | Message 81 of 91 06 December 2013 at 10:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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There are two sets of consonants in Russian: hard and soft. Hard consonanats are
pronounced (basically) like Irish broad consonants and soft consonants are pronounced like Irish slender consonants (the correspondence is not exact but it gives a good starting point). So, for a Russian, say, soft and hard L are completely different sounds, as different as the vowels in the words "shit" and "sheet" in English. For example, стал and сталь are distinguished only by the last sound (hard L vs soft L). How is this difference shown in spelling? For all the consonants except for ш, щ, ч, ц it works like that: Soft consonants are followed by ь, и, е, ё, ю, я. е ё ю я lose their first [j] (the "y- sound") and are pronounced as э, о, а, у after consonants, which became soft. So, ль is soft L ля is not lya but the same soft L + a ле is soft L + э ли is soft L + и And so on. To be continued 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4500 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 82 of 91 06 December 2013 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
Good, now in English. Someone who doesn't know Russian pronunciation is even less likely to know Irish pronunciation. This section is incomprehensible to anyone who doesn't understand phonology in-depth. Explain it in words so that a ten-year old child who doesn't even know where Ireland is on a map can understand and maybe you'll see what I mean. Edited by tarvos on 06 December 2013 at 10:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4849 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 83 of 91 06 December 2013 at 10:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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But Swift is from Ireland.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4500 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 84 of 91 06 December 2013 at 10:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
a) doesn't mean they speak Irish b) Swift isn't the only person reading your posts c) nobody understands the rest of it either 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4849 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 85 of 91 06 December 2013 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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And those who read The New Penguin Russian Course won't understand anything correctly
even if they know phonology in depth. One can't explain such a complex topic briefly, comprehensibly and correctly simultaneously. Only two of these conditions can be accomplished. Edited by Марк on 06 December 2013 at 10:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4500 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 86 of 91 06 December 2013 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, you can, it's called being concise and correct. That you are incapable of it is clear. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4849 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 87 of 91 06 December 2013 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
And could you explain it better? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4637 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 88 of 91 06 December 2013 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Irish is a compulsory subject for all Irish pupils. I won't get involved in the rest of the discussion. Getting all your soft and hard signs right probably isn't a matter of life and death, but you should at least understand how hard and soft consonants work in Russian. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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