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| culebrilla Senior Member United States Joined 3785 days ago 246 posts - 436 votes  Speaks: Spanish | Message 33 of 119 22 December 2013 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
You could have given him a history lesson and told him what languages were spoken before English in large swaths of the US. :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6385 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 34 of 119 22 December 2013 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Also, ignorant monolinguals exist everywhere. Cool down a bit please :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| culebrilla Senior Member United States Joined 3785 days ago 246 posts - 436 votes Speaks: Spanish | Message 35 of 119 22 December 2013 at 7:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
They weren't that "mean" to me; their comments were, I think, said partly in jest. Only they and God know what they were thinking when they said it. I don't see where I was animated or needed to "cool down", to be honest. It's very hard to see a person's emotions when you're just reading a message, you know. It's not limited to Americans. A lot of other language speakers really need to improve their language ability in their native languages before moving on to foreign languages. You know, complicated things like the difference between "there/their", "its/it's", "your/you're". 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 36 of 119 22 December 2013 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Better to be poor than ignorant. But are not La Francophonie composed of some countries that have severe financial and economic problems anyway, just like countries of the old Spanish Empire? Quite a few countries of all European Empires are in some economic trouble and extreme poverty is present in some form compared to Europe--whether they be Francophone, Hispanophone, Lusophone, Anglophone, Netherlandophone, etc. A few exceptions whereof I can think are Singapore, Hong Kong, Martinique, etc., so it does not differ by language. Edited by 1e4e6 on 22 December 2013 at 9:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5122 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 37 of 119 22 December 2013 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It's funny how perception of a language differs due to the location. That comment about poverty would never
have been made here, as for us Spanish is connected to Spain which for the larger part of my life has had quite a strong economy. The few Latin -Americans we see here are either political refugees, and get respect for that regardless of their economic situation, or are tourist. And tourist that can afford to go to Norway are not exactly short on money. If anything, Spanish is considered an exotic language that almost everyone would like to know. And even though I in general think that joking is a good thing, I think I would have been hurt if someone said something like that about my native language. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4078 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 38 of 119 22 December 2013 at 11:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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True, Spain have generally had a good economy, there are massive amounts of northern
Europeans there for holiday, many retirees there, and each time I look at the destionation maps from UK airports in the flight magazine, there are sometimes more than 20 flights from Newcastle, Manchester, Leeds-Bradford, Glasgow, and definitely Heathrow Airports. If I remember correctly, Spain are the number one destination for holidays for the UK, so poverty is usually not in mind. The economic crisis has been essentially no earlier than 2008-2009, and still, it is not as if there are massive favela-style neighbourhoods in Madrid and Barcelona. Also not all of Hispanic America have such poverty--anyone that has been to Santiago de Chile will notice that the city looks like some sort of a mix of Barcelona, Los Angeles, and Toronto, and Chile have a very strong economy and fairly high standard of living. In any case, people affected by <la crisis> in Spain still have a higher standard of living than most of the world, and even some of Europe as well. Edited by 1e4e6 on 22 December 2013 at 11:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| culebrilla Senior Member United States Joined 3785 days ago 246 posts - 436 votes Speaks: Spanish | Message 39 of 119 23 December 2013 at 12:01am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Check the stats and the latin american countries are WORLD'S away much better off then the African countries, excepting a very select few. And these exceptions are Arabic speaking in addition to Nigeria and South Africa. People in the US just tend to look down on Spanish because they see poor migrants and associate them with the language. They don't know that Latin America has, I've read, the greatest income inequality in the world. So there are a lot of rich folks in Latin America also. Carlos Slim, a Mexican man, is sometimes the richest man in the world depending on stock values. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5014 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 40 of 119 28 December 2013 at 11:34am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Oh, but they are all around, and Madrid and Barcelona have the biggest ones. Sure, Brazil's favelas look way bigger in the documentaries and movies I've seen, but it's all a matter of perspective -- when it comes to facts, however, we have big poor neighbourhoods here too, and I think it's the same with most big cities everywhere. We're just seeing how such locations are possibly not very appealing to tourists in most places.
Again, a matter of perspective. I have a close friend and a cousin working in Chile. They both say being there is like travelling 40 years back in time, poverty is all around, etc. Still, they got jobs and can earn a living there, even with 'low salaries', while they would be unemployed had they stayed in Spain. Who's 'poorer'? WRT comments on how speaking Spanish (or whatever foreign language) will only enable you to speak to 'poor' people, I've never had that in the past -- nowadays people like that wouldn't like my reply if they got one. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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