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M. Medialis Diglot TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member Sweden Joined 6359 days ago 397 posts - 508 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Russian, Japanese, French
| Message 113 of 185 31 May 2010 at 12:29am | IP Logged |
Teango: Can you believe you've actually averaged 6.5 hours/day in 2 weeks?! You're my hero. It's been fun to follow your progress, and I hope you'll keep us updated now when you're diving into the real unpolished world of spoken Spanish. Soon you'll start to wonder if you're a Brit who has been studying Spanish, or a Spaniard who has been stuying German.
Lol. Having kanji cards is the linguaphile equivalent to the ol' tamagochi toy (or any other little cute pet that cries and cries until your poor sensitive little conscience forces you to pick it up, feed it, love it, care for it and finally put it to sleep - until it wakes up the next morning again).
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5558 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 114 of 185 31 May 2010 at 9:14am | IP Logged |
Thanks, Medialis! I won't be going so crazy during this next experiment, which will just be one week, but it's certainly going to be jam-packed full of goodies.
I remember my first tamagochi and neopets (over 10 years ago now). Sadly I think they must have long since bitten the digital dust by now or at least be very peeved at me to say the least (lol). ;)
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5558 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 115 of 185 01 June 2010 at 9:50am | IP Logged |
M. Medialis wrote:
Soon you'll start to wonder if you're a Brit who has been studying Spanish, or a Spaniard who has been stuying German. |
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Haha, I'm already starting to wonder this... :)
Edited by Teango on 01 June 2010 at 9:50am
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5558 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 116 of 185 10 June 2010 at 4:12pm | IP Logged |
PROGRESS IN Spanish, WEEK 22/52 OF THE 2010 TAC CHALLENGE
SUMMARY
Active study for this week: 31 hours (extended study-and-click, Yabla, etc.)
Additional immersion for this week: 10.5 hours (music and TV)
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Total time actively studying Spanish so far: 122 hours
Additional light immersion with music and TV: 35.5 hours
Grand total of Spanish study and immersion: 157.5 hours [21 days]
WANDERLUST CONFESSION BOX
I've been cooking up all sorts of grand projects to follow this one in Spanish. I'm not sure just yet, but after a little break, Russian could well be the next big project on the list (technically it's not really "wanderlust" in this sense, as it's next on my main list of languages to learn for the year, but I'd really like to do something special with this wonderful challenging language).
I'm also interested in conducting a little experiment in BSL (British Sign Language) and trying out intense "listening-signing" for one week. I don't know if it's ever been done before, but as I feel it's much easier to process visual and audio simultaneously when it comes to sign language, it would be a fascinating new angle on the whole listening and reading approach. Finding the time to do this will be a challenge in itself though, so it might just remain a fanciful idea for now.
TEANGO’S WORD/PHRASE OF THE WEEK
"huevos rancheros" (ranch-style eggs) - in keeping with the Spanish flavour of my current studies, this type of dish is what I cooked up for breakfast recently. :P
NOTES
Apologies for not posting up my previous weekly log until now. I got so carried away with everything over the last week that I just plain forgot and only noticed whilst browsing randomly today. So I'll just put in my hours for this belated update now, and will talk a little bit more about the "El Mariachi" experiment in my next log this weekend.
Edited by Teango on 13 June 2010 at 10:53pm
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5558 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 117 of 185 13 June 2010 at 10:52pm | IP Logged |
PROGRESS IN Spanish, WEEK 23/52 OF THE 2010 TAC CHALLENGE
SUMMARY
Active study for this week: 28 hours (Yabla, vocabulary, pronunciation, grammar)
Additional immersion for this week: 5.5 hours (music and TV)
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Total time actively studying Spanish so far: 150 hours
Additional light immersion with music and TV: 41 hours
Grand total of Spanish study and immersion: 191 hours [28 days]
WANDERLUST CONFESSION BOX
No new sins to divulge this week.
TEANGO’S WORD/PHRASE OF THE WEEK
I have an idiomatic expression for you all this week: "Hijo de tigre, sale pintado" (like father, like son).
I also love the way the opposite of amigos is "enemigos" - what a great language! :)
NOTES
I've tried to prepare a little over the last fortnight and begin laying down some Spanish steel to bridge the gap between passive and active knowledge. With other commitments popping up, and no real tried and tested plan in my pocket, this proved to be more challenging than anticipated.
I tried out a variety of techniques, and covered a relatively broad area. This included some mini-adventures with pronunciation training, singing songs off by heart, studying videos, and learning more about Spanish-speaking cultures. In this respect, Yabla has turned out to be a fantastic companion in my journey, and I'd thoroughly recommend LoMásTv to anyone interested in beginning or improving their Spanish.
The most useful technique I re-discovered was "phrase picking". This seems very similar to Khatzumoto's idea of taking new sentences directly from a target language environment (e.g. words/phrases I can clearly hear and repeat in Yabla videos), and then putting these into flashcards (e.g. Anki), to review later at spaced intervals over time.
Similar to Khatz learning the meanings of the kanji first, I refrain from phrase picking until I've built up a basic passive vocabulary through listening and reading first (the "study-and-click" method works best for me here). This is the first initial phase of my study. With a comprehensible base in the language after two intensive weeks of study, I find those handy phrases pop up much more frequently earlier on.
With my focus on "activating" passive knowledge and conversing with speakers as quickly as possible in the second stage, my approach slightly differs when it comes to Anki reviews, where I prefer to translate aloud from English to Spanish. I also try to keep a special lookout for "linking phrases" and common expressions that I think might be useful in conversation. Regretfully, I started this all far too late in the experiment, but will consider using it as a key approach in future.
So how far down the road am I so far? Well, I can read through and get the gist of most texts now, with the aid of a dictionary for some of the finer details. I've also tried to listen to a wide variety of spoken Spanish, and this has helped me attune my ear to picking up far more words and phrases than I ever did a couple of weeks ago.
As for other areas, I'm still very much fumbling around in the dark as a beginner. So I'd like to spend next week focusing on speaking and writing with a tutor each day to bring these skills up to a better level. I was initially worried about looking like a complete blockhead on Monday, as I've never actually spoken with anyone in Spanish yet, but now I'm quite looking forward to meeting my tutor and making this week really work out for me.
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| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5558 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona
| Message 118 of 185 14 June 2010 at 7:20pm | IP Logged |
I've just finished the first 2 hour session today with my native Spanish tutor, and am absolutely thrilled to learn that my level in speaking is already around B1/B2. He was completely taken aback and just sat there laughing when I told him I'd never spoken Spanish before and had only studied reading and listening over the last few weeks.
I could understand pretty much every word he said, could get across the bulk of what I wanted to say, and my writing assignment, which I finished quickly beforehand without a dictionary, didn't end up in too much red ink either.
He's an excellent teacher and a very nice guy too - so I think I really struck it lucky this time. He's also not too shy in giving me lots of homework. ;) So I now have a whole book "Quiero ser", and its accompanying short film, to get through by this time tomorrow. Fantástico!
Edited by Teango on 14 June 2010 at 9:06pm
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| Adrean TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member France adrean83.wordpress.c Joined 6170 days ago 348 posts - 411 votes Speaks: FrenchC1
| Message 119 of 185 15 June 2010 at 10:14am | IP Logged |
Teango wrote:
I've just finished the first 2 hour session today with my native Spanish tutor, and am absolutely thrilled to learn that my level in speaking is already around B1/B2. He was completely taken aback and just sat there laughing when I told him I'd never spoken Spanish before and had only studied reading and listening over the last few weeks.
I could understand pretty much every word he said, could get across the bulk of what I wanted to say, and my writing assignment, which I finished quickly beforehand without a dictionary, didn't end up in too much red ink either. |
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Wow it was really amazing when I read this. I don't doubt that you have excellent listening comprehension with all the L-R and extra study you've done. This must be really motivational for people to read that with some intense study they can get pretty good in just a month. Keep up the good work! How about sitting the B1? How to get from beginner to B1 level in a month?
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| darkwhispersdal Senior Member Wales Joined 6042 days ago 294 posts - 363 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Ancient Greek, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Latin
| Message 120 of 185 15 June 2010 at 7:23pm | IP Logged |
This log keeps me motivated well done
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