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| Ċ vejk Super Polyglot Newbie Canada lingq.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4604 days ago 29 posts - 77 votes  Speaks: English*, Mandarin, Japanese, French, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Portuguese Studies: Czech | Message 65 of 116 17 April 2012 at 7:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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In terms of learning grammar through patterns rather than explanations and drills, I should mention one of my
favourite language books, and the one that most influenced my approach to language learning. Intermediate Reader in Modern Chinese by Harriet Mills and P.S. Ni, Cornell University Press 1967. I don't know if it is still available. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Michael K. Senior Member United States Joined 5727 days ago 568 posts - 886 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Esperanto | Message 66 of 116 17 April 2012 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Is this the book, Steve?
If it is, you can get it for 50 cents on amazon. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 67 of 116 17 April 2012 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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Intensive and extensive reading are established terms on this forum.
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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6941 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 68 of 116 17 April 2012 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | ||
This terminology goes way beyond the forum. Just google for something like 'extensive and intensive reading' and you'll see a ton of links. Intensive reading does include structure, as seen, e.g., in, 'It provides a basis for explaining difficulties of structure and for extending knowledge of vocabulary and idioms.' There's really no software tool that can explain the 'difficulties of structure', that can only be done by a teacher or one can consult a reference grammar. Or one can wait until the structure clicks into place from more input. Some annotated readers contain notes on both vocabulary and grammar, but most just focus on vocabulary. Conjugated verb forms probably shouldn't be considered among the 'difficulties of structure'. Some dictionaries will indicate what they are, but generally one should know one's verbs and morphology in general. I suspect many forum members casually refer to just reading with a dictionary as intensive reading if they look up every word. I know I do. This makes some sense if one doesn't run into a lot of grammatical difficulties when reading, which will depend in part on the TL. Edited by frenkeld on 18 April 2012 at 12:02am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 69 of 116 18 April 2012 at 12:21am | IP Logged | ||
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And HTLAL is mentioned in the fourth result :-)
Whatever, I just mean that it's been discussed a lot here and we all probably have very similar ideas of what it is. Hence I disagree with:
Steve kind of missed out on these discussions, so to say. Edited by Serpent on 18 April 2012 at 12:21am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6941 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 70 of 116 18 April 2012 at 12:27am | IP Logged | ||
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Oh, sure, HTLAL is loud enough to get high google ratings :), but the point is that this terminology seems common among the professionals too, not just among the amateurs. I am not sure if it originated with Krashen or if it predates him, but he is known to be big on extensive reading.
The real issue I thought was the one you raised, whether lingq is deficient as a tool for intensive reading. My point is, any tool like this would be deficient with regard to grammar by its very nature. Good e-dictionaries will pick up conjugated verb forms and take you back to the infinitive, I don't know if the ones lingq uses do that, but that's only a small part of the grammar part of intensive reading. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 71 of 116 18 April 2012 at 12:50am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, I know at least one site that will tell you which form of which word it is, for Finnish. It's in *technical* terms like "N INE PL" but it's much better than nothing. If you don't need this tool in Finnish, you are fluent :-)
In my opinion the perfect tool for intensive reading would need to do that and to link you to the list of functions of the case in question/the tense/etc. With a decent grammar module, LingQ would be much better than it is now. edit: seems like it's extensive reading that's widely known (because it's often neglected in classroom study), while what exactly it's opposed to can vary. Intensive reading is generally agreed upon here but for example in classroom study it normally involves translation and often paraphrase too (to show the teacher that you really understand). Edited by Serpent on 18 April 2012 at 1:41am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6941 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 72 of 116 18 April 2012 at 1:01am | IP Logged | ||
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Is that tool for Finnish a kind of dictonary, or is it something else?
Edited by frenkeld on 18 April 2012 at 1:02am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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