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tmp011007
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Message 25 of 116

16 April 2012 at 1:37am | IP Logged

Serpent wrote:

Esperanto ideology means tons and tons of free materials.

I do disagree: nothing in this life seems to be for free (it's not just about money)
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frenkeld
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Message 26 of 116

16 April 2012 at 1:42am | IP Logged

Serpent wrote:

Esperanto ideology means tons and tons of free materials. LingQ ideology justifies why they want your money.

Members of a religious organization I won't mention by name periodically stop by our house to leave their materials, for free. I have remained invariably friendly towards them, but have never become interested.

We all use plenty of commercial products in language learning, from textbooks to dictionaries to audiocourses, not to mention books and DVD's, and some ipad/iphone apps people use aren't free either. So, lingq is a commercial product, why not - the only issue is whether you like it and whether it's worth the cost, just like it is with any other product.

Edited by frenkeld on 16 April 2012 at 2:10am
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Švejk
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Message 27 of 116

16 April 2012 at 1:43am | IP Logged

Serpent wrote:

tmp011007 wrote:

so, I could safely assume you do not like esperanto either?
xD

Esperanto ideology means tons and tons of free materials. LingQ ideology justifies why they want your
money.

Let's see if I follow the logic here.

1) An ideology is OK as long as it provides tons and tons of free materials. I can think of some examples from
history.
2) Goods and services should be provided free of charge. This includes the services of programmers, customer
service personnel, as well as the use of servers and other equipment to distribute learning resources. It should all
be free. No one is compensated for their time. They just work.
3) A person who has a belief in an approach to language learning (or some other area of activity) and wishes to
build a learning system based on this approach, and does so with his own funds, (i.e. does not lean on government
for a grant), and subsequently tries to cover these costs by charging for these services, is essentially not worthy of
our trust.

Interesting concept, one that I encounter regularly, but which is out of touch with reality.
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Michael K.
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Message 28 of 116

16 April 2012 at 2:26am | IP Logged

Mae wrote:

"Švejk" = "Zhuangzi" I guess...

Yes, this is Steve Kaufmann. Welcome back to the forum, Mr. Kaufmann, and enjoy your stay.

Švejk wrote:

I was taken aback by the admonition, upon registering today, "unless you can spell, don't write it" or words to that effect.

If you've read the rules, and I'm sure you did, the reason for this is that the admin, FX Micheloud, considers it rude for people to spell incorrectly in English when many of the people on the forum have spent years learning to write proper English.

I believe on rare occasions some native English speakers have been banned for improper spelling, but there's only one case I can remember
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Message 29 of 116

16 April 2012 at 2:31am | IP Logged

Michael K. wrote:

Mae wrote:

"Švejk" = "Zhuangzi" I guess...

Yes, this is Steve Kaufmann. Welcome back to the forum, Mr. Kaufmann, and enjoy your stay.

Švejk wrote:

I was taken aback by the admonition, upon registering today, "unless you can spell, don't write it" or words to that effect.

I must agree with you about the spelling thing. If someone is learning English, they could be thrown off by incorrect spelling and grammar.
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Švejk
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Message 30 of 116

16 April 2012 at 2:50am | IP Logged

Michael K. wrote:

Mae wrote:

"Švejk" = "Zhuangzi" I guess...

Yes, this is Steve Kaufmann. Welcome back to the forum, Mr. Kaufmann, and enjoy your stay.

Švejk wrote:

I was taken aback by the admonition, upon registering today, "unless you can spell, don't write it"
or words to that effect.

If you've read the rules, and I'm sure you did, the reason for this is that the admin, FX Micheloud, considers it rude
for people to spell incorrectly in English when many of the people on the forum have spent years learning to write
proper English.

I believe on rare occasions some native English speakers have been banned for improper spelling, but there's only
one case I can remember

Thanks for the words of welcome, Michael. I prefer Steve, and will try to watch my many many typos.
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Švejk
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Message 31 of 116

16 April 2012 at 2:53am | IP Logged

camdo2 wrote:

Michael K. wrote:

Mae wrote:

"Švejk" = "Zhuangzi" I guess...

Yes, this is Steve Kaufmann. Welcome back to the forum, Mr. Kaufmann, and enjoy your stay.

Švejk wrote:

I was taken aback by the admonition, upon registering today, "unless you can spell, don't write it"
or words to that effect.

If you've read the rules, and I'm sure you did, the reason for this is that the admin, FX Micheloud, considers it rude
for people to spell incorrectly in English when many of the people on the forum have spent years learning to write
proper English.

I believe on rare occasions some native English speakers have been banned for improper spelling, but there's only
one case I can remember

I must agree with you about the spelling thing. If someone is learning English, they could be thrown off by
incorrect spelling and grammar.

I strongly disagree that a learner would be thrown off by the odd occurrence of an incorrectly spelled word. In fact,
an incorrectly spelled word might even induce the learner to notice the correct spelling more, and "noticing" is one
of the key skills of language learning. But I will try to follow the rules here.
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Serpent
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Message 32 of 116

16 April 2012 at 3:25am | IP Logged

Švejk wrote:

3) A person who has a belief in an approach to language learning (or some other area of activity) and wishes to
build a learning system based on this approach, and does so with his own funds, (i.e. does not lean on government for a grant), and subsequently tries to cover these costs by charging for these services, is essentially not worthy of our trust.

Just admit it: you use the average learner's hatred of grammar to convince them they just need to pay and learning will become fun and easy at once. And what they actually get is nothing special.

As for Esperanto, I just meant this shouldn't be assumed. It seems much easier to stay away from "ideological" texts in Esperanto if you don't like them (I don't either) than on LingQ, especially if you aren't willing to pay.

BTW it's annoying to receive emails despite not visiting the site for ages.

Oh and I remembered another thing. I registered when I was starting Portuguese, but I think I didn't find any audios for European Portuguese. And of course I had to register and waste a lot of time before I figured out. If you ignore Portugal at least say so.

as 4 da rule: its disrespectfull of the learner's who's native language isnt englis h too right like this, dont u think? The high standards are there to make it clear that writing this way isn't tolerated.

Edited by Serpent on 16 April 2012 at 3:30am

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