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| r0pe Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 4666 days ago 29 posts - 33 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 89 of 276 27 February 2012 at 10:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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After reading the AJATT homepage I've decided to change my mac, iphone and facebook to Japanese. After some weeks, I changed back to English on my mac and iphone, only facebook is still on Japanese. Most sentences there are easy to understand... いいね！ :)
But I'm sure it's not helping with my Japanese at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4798 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes  Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 90 of 276 29 February 2012 at 3:46pm | IP Logged | ||
Brun_Ugle, it's interesting to see how you're doing with the Smart.fm words. I'll keep my open and follow your progress. And, as usual, your log always makes me laugh. And inspires. That's a magic mix. Kappa, thank you! Even though you say your English is not so good, I think it's great. And definitely way better than my Japanese! And thank you so much for these links :) It's great having a native speaker on board :) Brun_Ugle, I didn't just hijack your thread, I swear. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6621 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 91 of 276 29 February 2012 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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Actually, I'm starting to think smart.fm/iKnow is pretty good. At first, I didn't feel like it was working at all, but now I'm about 80% finished with one deck and it finally seems to be sticking. 80% means that I've already seen all the words, but am still working on reviews (kind of like Anki). You see the words for the first time fairly early and after that, it is just reviews. Also the method of reviewing gets harder as you progress, which is probably part of what finally makes the words really stick. Unfortunately, the five free tries you get on the site are really not enough to let you see how it works. I think they should let you do one whole deck for free. I think that would encourage people to pay for it because they would see how well it works. I felt very uncertain of its usefulness until I was quite far along in the process.
I still haven't tried signing up for Facebook, but I suppose that if/when I do, I will use the Japanese version. I really have to go over to using more Japanese. And of course, spending less time here writing about learning, and more time actually doing it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6621 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 92 of 276 29 February 2012 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Prepare for another Heisig rant!!
He’s driving me nuts! How am I supposed to remember the difference between drown and drowning? Or fabricate and fabrication? And then there’s obeisance/obeisant, attack/assault, loose/loosen. Or how about when he called one kanji “interpret” in one addition of book one, then he decided he wanted to use that word for a different kanji in book three, so he wrote a new addition of book one, changing the original kanji. Unfortunately, not all of us have the new addition. He also turned male into man and masculine into male from one addition to another. Or maybe I’ve got that backwards. I suppose I should be glad he didn’t give them a sex change and turn man into woman. And then of course, there are all those trees. I live in Norway. All I need is birch, aspen, spruce and pine. I have no idea what a catalpa is, and zelkova wasn’t even in my big fat dictionary. I had to look it up online (It’s some kind of Japanese tree. Sounds more like a middle-aged Russian lady in a babushka if you ask me). If the word isn’t in the dictionary, I figure I probably don’t need it. If I ever meet Heisig, I might just hang him from a zelkova, if I can figure out what it is. Anyway, I’ve decide to give up on book 3 for now. I’m going to do the supplement so I know all the jouyou kanji. Then I will learn new kanji as I feel like it or as I encounter them in real life. I already know all his primitives as well as some I’ve made up myself, so it shouldn’t be a problem learning kanji in my own order. Going straight through book three felt like it was doing more harm than good. Not only was I forgetting 15 of 16 new kanji, I was also getting mixed up about the ones I already knew. So I will keep up my reviews, do the supplement, and relax about the rest. Edited by Brun Ugle on 29 February 2012 at 6:04pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6086 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 93 of 276 29 February 2012 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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There's been a lot of folks in the forum who've let loose about Heisig, but this has to be the BEST rant ever! :D I also felt like I wasn't getting anywhere..
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| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6621 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 94 of 276 29 February 2012 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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Actually, I thought the first book was great. It's just that the keywords in the third book are often too like each other and too like the ones in the first book. Plus there are so many rather abstract and perhaps fairly useless kanji (like the trees). I've been trying to remember for at least a week now how not to confuse lotus, lotus blossom, and lotus flower.
I'm glad you liked my rant. I had fun writing it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4798 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 95 of 276 01 March 2012 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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It was a good rant. And of course, the trees :)
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| Woodsei Bilingual Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Woodsei Joined 4798 days ago 614 posts - 782 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Egyptian)* Studies: Russian, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 96 of 276 02 March 2012 at 9:22pm | IP Logged | ||
I remembered, after reading your post, that someone who has a Japanese learning blog did discuss a way in which he studied kanji, and using Japanese keywords next to the English ones. He was able to go through RTK 1 and 3 in this manner. He did mention the point about getting the English keywords confused after spending some time with kanji in context, and that's why he resorted to using Japanese keywords instead. I though it was a pretty interesting idea, and I think I'll give it a shot with my own personal deck. Plus I believe it serves to increase your Japanese vocabulary as well. So it's a win-win situation. The site's name is Japanese Level Up, and here's the link to the article discussing Heisig: http://japaneselevelup.com/2011/01/29/how-to-use-anki-to-mas ter-japanese-part-1- kanji/ Hope you find that useful. Maybe it'll encourage you to pick up RTK 3 again at some point. Keep up the good work! If there are spaces in the link, remove them. Edited by Woodsei on 02 March 2012 at 9:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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