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| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4620 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 145 of 236 09 February 2014 at 2:14am | IP Logged |
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Does watching the Sochi opening ceremonies count as studying Russian? ;) Interesting contrast: I watched the televised version of the opening video (going through the Russian alphabet with a meaningful word for each letter) here in the US and the commentators said something like, "you probably don't know what these things are, but Russians do." The German version actually explained the references for anyone who didn't know. The comment on Catherine the Great was funny: the German on the throne, which of course is quite true...
Sochi-Russian Alphabet-Russiches Alphabet and the Hedgehog in the Fog is a cool animated film (in Russian with English subtitles)Hedgehog in the Fog 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4620 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 146 of 236 09 February 2014 at 5:11pm | IP Logged |
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Still trying to figure things out regarding studying multiple languages and what will be best for my situation in Spanish. Via tutoring two Spanish-speaking people in English (one foreign-born adult, one American-born child) I've realized that my own ability is more like a heritage speaker with some odd gaps. Now just to figure out how to fill them. speakers">Heritage Speakers Stelle's log led me to a really interesting article of "lessons learned" from the FSI. FSI article on language learning This week, although I'm definitely studying all three languages, I've shifted my focus to Spanish because we are planning to visit relatives and vacation in Spain next month. Deutsch: read news articles, skyped and have about 25 pages to go in "Elsa Ungeheuer" (funny, but somehow unsatisfying, maybe just too over the top?). A summary in English that contains spoilers: Elsa Ungeheuer Russian: am watching Братья Карамазовы-Brothers Karamazov a series with 40 minute episodes (good so far), finished Reading and Writing Russian script, working through vocabulary flashcards, Pimsleur Unit 6 and Russian Russian World Ep 15 and doing cursive practice (aka stress reduction therapy). Spanish: Doing lots of reading, listened to some podcasts from Mexico and Guatemala and did a fair amount of grammar exercises (adjectives, subjunctive). Finished: "Astérix en Hispania" (lots of vosotros and unusual vocab, but, hey it's Astérix., so fun.) 48 pages and "La Casa de Bernarda Alba" (rather dark play by Federico García Lorca about a family in rural Spain), 76 pages. About 50 pages into "Flores Oscuros" by Sergio Ramírez (this month's selection for the library's Spanish book club, short stories by Nicaraguan author, full of "vos") The stories I've read so far have rather grim themes. I probably wouldn't have selected this book for myself, but would like to check out the Spanish book club at the library, so ... Review of Flores Oscuros Total fail for me was a combo book and audiobook: "De cómo las muchachas García perdieron el acento" by Julia Alvarez (tedious soap opera about immigrants to the US from the DR) I gave up on this after 80 or so pages. The narration on the audiobook was also extremely annoying (gave up on that after disc 2). Glad these were from the library or I would have felt compelled to finish them. I've liked reading a book and listening to its audiobook in German, so I just have to find the right combination in Spanish. Yesterday I picked up "Medianoche en México" written by an investigative reporter about the drug cartels in Mexico. It looks really interesting, so I hope to finish the short story collection and get on to reading this. Below is from Gatopardo, which has a lot of interesting articles and podcasts worth checking out, even if this topic isn't of interest: Article from Gatopardo 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4142 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 147 of 236 09 February 2014 at 5:25pm | IP Logged |
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A friend of mine is a heritage speaker of Spanish. She's struggling enormously with a university-level Spanish class
(for learners), because she just doesn't know where one word ends and the next begins. She speaks fluently in Spanish, but she isn't at all literate. It's so interesting to me that she doesn't really think in terms of words - she just rattles off ideas at high speed. Language is fascinating! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4620 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 148 of 236 09 February 2014 at 11:17pm | IP Logged |
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Acabo de leer el cuento "Ya no estás a mi lado corazón" por Sergio Ramírez. El cuento se trata de algunas personas que trabajan en un circo pobrísimo en Nicaragua y fue narrado por parte de un hombre recordando años después lo que pasó cuando él era niño de trece años. El dueño del circo es un tragafuegos llamado Luzbel (Lucifer). El es casado con la trapecista "la sin par Mireya", una mujer a quien encontraron estrangulada . Además de ser trapecista y amazona, ella trabaja también como prostituta y era la amante de Mister Tancredo, un albino, que trabaja como payaso y mago ilusionista en el circo. El enano Leonardo el Galante estaba también enamorado de la Mireya, pero ella lo rechazaba. No debo de revelar quien la mató, pero puedo decir que el asesino verdadero no fue condenado a la prisión aunque admitió que la había matado.La palabra "amazona" se usa para una mujer que monta caballos y para el traje de falda larga para montar caballos, además de mujer guerrera de la mitología. Otras palabras nuevas para mí eran "occiso, -a" que significa el asesinato o victima, "proxeneta" (alguien que vive de las ganancias de una prostituta), y "holgura" (anchura o amplitud). Había también ciertas palabras nicaragüenses o centroamericanas que ya había conocido, por ejemplo "desmoche" (un juego de cartas) y "chompipe", pavo o guajalote (en México). El titulo del cuento refiere a una canción muy famosa, "La historia de un amor", que fue escrito por el panameño Carlos Almarán. Ya no estas mas a mi lado, corazón En el alma sólo tengo soledad Y si ya no puedo verte porque Dios me hizo quererte para hacerme sufrir más Siempre fuiste la razón de mi existir Adorarte para mí fue religión Y en tus besos yo encontraba El calor que me brindaban El amor y la pasión Es la historia de un amor Como no hay otro igual Que me hizo comprender Todo el bien, todo el mal Que le dio luz a mi vida Apagándola después Ay, qué vida tan oscura Sin tu amor no viviré Una versión cantado por Luz Casal: Historia de un amor 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4620 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 149 of 236 12 February 2014 at 2:16am | IP Logged |
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At times, I have wondered if it is really useful at this point for me to watch films in Russian since I must
completely rely on English subtitles, but last night I was watching Братья Карамазовы-Brothers Karamazov and started to pick out a few more words such as: говорить (speak) and я знаю (I know). Then afterward before falling asleep, the Pimsleur dialogues started running through my mind unbidden. I am now convinced it really is never too early to dip into native materials. I've finally come up with some pseudo-goals. DE/ES: over the next several years, move from intermediate to advanced proficiency in both to allow comprehension of nuances of more complex native-language content How: read a lot, actively study grammar, possibly take a class? a tutor? RU: Specific for 2014 Russian: learn the basics, increase speed and comprehension of reading Cyrillic, and get my brain used to hearing the language How: complete A1 materials, watch films with subtitles ES: Sigo leyendo el libro "Flores Oscuros" ¡Qué título más apropiado para estos cuentos! La mayoría de los personajes son perdedores, “incapaces de oponerse a lo que el destino o el poder disponen de ellos. Todos los personajes son marginales, seres oscuros que a veces relumbran frente a los focos de la atención pública, porque son víctimas o victimarios”, explica Ramírez, el autor. Escuché a un podcast en alemán con el autor suizo Peter Stamm, quien declaró que el propósito de una cierta clase de ficción es inquietar y lo de cierta otra clase es entretener. Creo que los dos puedan ser útiles para el aprendizaje. DE: Meine Tandem-Partnerin hat mir einen Artikel über den Imperativ aus "Der Spiegel" und Übungen als Selbstkontrolle geschickt. Zwiebelfisch Artikel Mein Deutschbuch (online grammar exercises) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4356 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 150 of 236 12 February 2014 at 8:02am | IP Logged |
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I do the same thing regarding native material. Even a couple of words I understand motivate me a lot :)
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| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4620 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 151 of 236 14 February 2014 at 2:53am | IP Logged |
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@renaissncemedi, oh yes, you are so right. It's like finding a piece of a jigsaw puzzle. Very satisfying :)
Interesting stuff I stumbled across in the past week: General: Higgs Learner Needs based on research of what learners need as they progress through the levels of learning a language. I *think* 1=A1/2, 2-3=B1/2 and 4-5=C1/2. Higgs Learner Needs Graph French: No, I'm not going to start another language right now, but the following interview of US Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer made the idea rather tempting. Maybe at some future date I'll dust off my high school French? I put the original interview in French along with this in the thread about celebrities speaking other languages. I don't know if a Supreme Court Justice falls into the usual definition of "celebrity", but to me, he's a rock star. My favorite part of the article is where he talks about how learning another language opened up a whole new way of seeing the world. Isn't that why we do this? Reading Proust -Stephen Breyer DE: From an article in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) that I read this week about data protection and surveillance, below are a few colorful phrases. This article was really a challenge to read, but interesting. der einsame Rufer in der Wüste (lone voice in the wilderness) deutsche Politiker meiden das Thema Datenschutz üblicherweise wie der Teufel das Weihwasser: (German politicians usually avoid the question of data protection like the devil avoids holy water) "Datenschutz" klingt, als waren Daten seltene Tiere, die vor dem Aussterben bewahrt werden müssen. Oder kleine, bösartige Parasiten, gegen es den Menschen zu verteidigen gilt. (Data protection sounds as if data were rare animals, which must be protected from extinction. Or small malicious parasites, against whom people have to be protected) ES: I'm going to focus much more on Spanish over the next several weeks since we will be going to Spain soon. I'm still reading the short story collection, but I just bought an ebook to work on the basics: Better Reading Spanish. It has short readings that increase in level of difficulty with exercises designed to improve reading skills. RU: Currently working on verb conjugation, the accusative case, possessives and increasing vocabulary using a variety of sources that reinforce each other. I am really enjoying studying Russian. Edited by BAnna on 14 February 2014 at 2:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4620 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 152 of 236 15 February 2014 at 6:14am | IP Logged |
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I just finished Flores Oscuros, which I ended up liking more as I kept reading. About learning languages (from a sad story in the book about a man who gradually becomes a mute upon moving to Iowa because he can't manage to learn English): "Para hablar otra lengua uno tiene que ser una especie de maromero al que no le importa soltarse del trapecio que vuela en las alturas, o de payaso al que le tiene sin cuidado el ridículo de hacer mímicas, copiar entonaciones de voz, imitar a los demás." Paraphrase "To speak another language you have to be a kind of acrobat who does not mind letting go of the trapeze flying in the heights, or a clown who doesn't mind making a fool of himself performing pantomime, copying intonations and imitating others. " I continually make a fool of myself in countless ways. At least it's good to know I'm on the right track :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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