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| Tarko Senior Member Korea, South Joined 4689 days ago 119 posts - 148 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, French | Message 81 of 120 25 February 2014 at 11:55pm | IP Logged |
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I learned a lot of the uses of 호감 via dating apps/websites. For example, 마른 분에 호감이 갑니다 (I'm fond of thin people). But, uh, that entirely depends on your presence in Korea. Also, if you're single.
I find speaking Korean to be an entirely difficult beast from speaking other languages. For me it's hard to even compare it to speaking Russian or French (languages in which I have gained at least some oral fluency n the past). It took me years to rearrange my thought processes to freely speak in the right word order, let alone freely speaking. You may want to try writing a lot - I find that the more you write, the more you start to produce the same grammar in your spoken Korean. I relied on the -서 and -지만 contractions for a very long time before breaking out -는데 and -도록 in speech (among others). Maybe write 2-3 texts focusing on using a specific grammatical form in different contexts and then deliberately find a way to use it in your next conversation. My big speaking issue is honorific speech (계시다/-습니다, for example). I never have the chance to use it verbally. I got over this problem with banmal by talking with friends. I may need to tell a friend to switch to that form with me for a week so I can practice. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5647 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 82 of 120 26 February 2014 at 1:36am | IP Logged |
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I think that is a good idea, Tarko. I remember when I used to actually write in Korean,
after using certain structures enough (으)ㅁ에도 불구하고 -기 짝이 없다, I was able to use them while speaking/thinking in Korean. My major problem with speaking is that I just don't practice it enough, thus I can't say things on the fly. However, I'm still focusing on input until I'm very comfortable with the language, and I feel like I'm getting close, except for some big gaps in vocabulary here and there. Do you recommend writing longer texts or a lot of short ones (or a mixture of both)? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sabotai Senior Member United States Joined 5880 days ago 391 posts - 489 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Japanese, Korean, French | Message 83 of 120 26 February 2014 at 5:21am | IP Logged |
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I was rewatching the first episode of Running Man a few weeks back (without subtitles) and picked up some words. One that really stuck is 옥상 (rooftop). I saw it several times when they showed the map of the building, and then during the part when they went to the rooftop, I heard them say it several times.
When I first started watching Running Man, I couldn't understand anything. While I'm still a beginner, it's nice that I can at least pick out names, common verbs and phrases and even pick up a handful of new words without the aid of subtitles (even if I still feel the need to double check their meaning afterwards). Edited by sabotai on 26 February 2014 at 5:22am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Stassri Newbie Korea, South Joined 4096 days ago 23 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Korean* | Message 84 of 120 26 February 2014 at 8:16am | IP Logged |
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Hi, If anyone's interested in singing competitions, there is a Korean one currently running : K-pop Star Season 3. You can watch some past videos of the Season 2 Here and Season 3 Here
And this is my favorite performance from Season 2 : 잠 못드는 밤 비는 내리고 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Tarko Senior Member Korea, South Joined 4689 days ago 119 posts - 148 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, French | Message 85 of 120 26 February 2014 at 10:00am | IP Logged |
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The Real CZ, I write a lot of texts for my Korean class, and every text is different. One day I'll write a dialogue about how to get to a coffee shop, the next day I'll write a self-introduction, the next day I'll write 2 dialogues where I'm trying to convince someone else to do something (1 with an affirmative response and 1 with a negative response), then I'll write a short story about a serial killer in 여의도. Sometimes they're short (half a page) sometimes they're long (3+ pages). I think it's useful to write many different texts so you can get an idea of how the grammar or vocabulary can be used in a variety of situations.
Also, I think that the most useful part of this is if you can get your texts corrected (using Lang-8 or via another method). I find that my understanding of grammatical concepts is never as strong as I think it is. That's one reason I think Korean is a hellishly difficult language to learn: it's easy enough to self-study up to a certain point, but once you try to push through to the intermediate (advanced?) levels you need someone to nitpick every little error you make. (That's just my opinion. There are plenty of people who are capable of learning grammar to an advanced level without any help, but I'm not one of them.) Editing/re-writing your text means you're actively revisiting the grammar point again, which helps it stick more firmly in your mind. I also highly recommend that everyone make a Korean-speaking friend with whom you can chat on Kakaotalk on a regular basis. Texting doesn't necessarily use the most advanced grammar or vocabulary, but it gives you a bit of a lag time in between messages where you can insert more complicated grammatical forms. Chatting also speeds up how fast your brain takes to process Korean and speeds up your own production rate. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5533 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 86 of 120 26 February 2014 at 12:58pm | IP Logged |
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After discussing a possible gear switch (from LSK to TTMIK) on druckfehler's log and the
possibility of doing this during a commute rather than taking up evening time, I played TTMIK Level 1 lessons on the way home from work the past two days (and got in 3 lessons per day since they are fairly short and my commute is about 40 minutes). I had forgotten just how humorous their early lessons are with the odd chemistry they have going on between the two hosts (경은 replying somewhat suspiciously to almost everything 현우 says, 현우 actually stepping on 경은's foot a couple times while recording to demonstrate 죄송합니다 (with 견은 reacting "You really stepped on my foot!"), etc.). It is also interesting being able to understand the parts where they are using Korean dialog to demonstrate something (like the various uses of "네") where they don't expect the listener to understand the actual dialog yet or where one of them (usually 경은) will reply with a Korean phrase almost out of force of habit but it doesn't matter as I still know what is going on the whole time. However, I had also forgotten that they seem to get caught in the same hangups as many other learner materials out there on concepts that are so much simpler than they are made out to be. For example, when explaining the differences between 안녕히 계세요 and 안녕히 가세요 they start off with the typical "it depends on whether you are leaving or staying" (and LSK teaches this concept similarly) then they give some exceptions later on (both people are leaving, hosts are wrapping up the show and saying goodbye to the listeners, etc.). However none of those exceptions would really exist if you just teach it the reverse way in the first place. Which phrase you use depends on what the *listener* is doing, not what the *speaker* is doing. If the listener is going somewhere, you use 가세요, if the listener is staying where they are, you use 계세요. 끝! I'm perpetually confused why so many language materials try to make the irrelevant distinction regarding what the speaker is doing when that only really applies in those scenarios where the listener is doing the opposite. Yes that scenario is common (one leaving and the other staying), but other scenarios exist making that frame of reference pointlessly complicated. (If I'm wrong here, please explain, but I simply cannot think of a scenario where it remotely matters what the speaker is doing for these goodbye statements.) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5647 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 87 of 120 02 March 2014 at 3:41pm | IP Logged |
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Tarko, thanks for your advice. I started using my unused wordpress blog as a Korean
blog where I write my thoughts about anything, and I'm planning on writing a short story series about a guy who has no inhibitions, leading him to be in a lot of terrible situations. I think a mix of journal entries and short stories will really help me express myself better. For now, I plan on just writing a lot without getting corrections, so as to not get discouraged. The last time I used Lang 8, many of the changes I was getting seemed to be purely stylistic changes, so I think I'll just wait until I've written a lot to get some corrections. I think I can self-correct a lot through more grammar study and more reading. Now it's just about activating vocabulary and grammar structures for active use instead of just passive knowledge. I believe writing regularly now will help me eventually help me to write longer, more in depth articles down the road, but I can only take one step at a time, so I'm not going to stretch myself to write an academic-like blog post every time I write. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5533 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 88 of 120 07 March 2014 at 1:28pm | IP Logged |
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3월 도전 어때요? 아이디어 있나요? Edited by Warp3 on 07 March 2014 at 1:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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