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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5168 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 137 of 153 26 September 2013 at 9:50pm | IP Logged |
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Bon tardi tur hende! M'a bolbe fo'i Kòrsou i Aruba. Tin mashá kos ku mi ke konta boso,
pero promé ku tur kos mi mester reflehá serka di mi strategia di studio di Papiamento. It was a full, rich, diverse, transforming, astonishing trip! Culturally, gastronomically, leisurely, romantically, sportively, socially...in all aspects! Two different worlds that look so close and so far from each other, so close and so far from myself! It will take me some time to write my travel logs here, so please be patient! I want to focus first on what to do to Papiamento next. First update is the Speak status! I could read everything, understand when native speakers talked among themselves, understand the radio, express myself using circumlocutions when necessary. I didn't get the chance to speak as much as I'd want because people were always trying to English or Spanish me, but the opportunities I had were rewarding! The *speaks* status means Papiamento will be taken away from my daily, rigid schedule and moved to the bottom, native-only activities (along with French). I got a few books, a good dictionary and a textbook in Spanish by the same author of the English one (more on that at an upcoming post on my purchases!). I may be using this Spanish textbook but whatever I do now for Papiamento will be post-schedule activities. My goals are still ambitious for Papiamento and should be revealed in time. I have to keep moving on Chinese, Georgian, Norwegian and Russian so that I finally get anywhere and for this I should do their stuff first, only later opening slots for more extensive activities. So, that means when I have time late in the afternoon I will study; if not, maybe next day. I had an unexpected, not so comfortable schedule change at work and I want to be able to do the most difficult stuff at the time I'm most likely to keep focused. I have to reschedule my studies, still focusing on native materials though. Not sure if I'll be able to do anything today, as I'm updating my logs after a 17-days long break, but the idea is to work less on newspapers, as I have books to read now; keep doing music, as it is always nice; work on the online literary excerpts till I finish them and only watch news videos every other day, at bottom priority, since a) many are boring b) I only got better ones from Aruba c) I think I can understand them well now. My idea should be to start with the song, then the Jukaproductions excerpt than keep working until I have to do something else. BTW, since I got home I deleted the Anki deck I had set myself and which had all its cards at the mature level already, but it is still available as a Shared deck at ankiweb for anyone! I'll try to keep this log alive but I'm going to try my best to stop the daily, log- only updated with what I'm doing, as I'm no longer in a rush to reach B1 level in 4 months. Speaking of which...I think my mission has been accomplished and I got the skills I need to take the best out of my trip. So, I may end up renaming this log, then just leaving it...well, I'll see what is the most appropriate thing to do. Until then, I'd like to thank you all for the support! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| yuhakko Tetraglot Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4634 days ago 414 posts - 582 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishB2, EnglishC2, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Korean, Norwegian, Mandarin | Message 138 of 153 27 September 2013 at 12:24am | IP Logged |
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Congrats on all that! Good news that all that preparation was really helpful! And it must
feel good to add a new language to your "speak" languages. You are a real proof that it is indeed possible to become good at a language in a short time without letting go of all the rest! I am looking forward to see what you will do now! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4717 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 139 of 153 27 September 2013 at 2:58am | IP Logged |
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Wow, that sounds awesome! Congrats on changing the language to the "speaks" status! I'm looking forward for your trip log! =)
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4709 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 140 of 153 27 September 2013 at 1:22pm | IP Logged |
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Well done on speaking a language that is a part of independent states dependent on my
kingdom! Hope you get as far in your other languages soon! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5264 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 141 of 153 27 September 2013 at 1:39pm | IP Logged |
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Parabéns, Expugnator! Eu soube que você iria alcançar seu objetivo. Sei que é difícil para aprender um idioma crioulo com poucos recursos disponíveis e poucas oportunidades para praticá-lo. Você deveria ter muito orgulho em si mesmo! :)
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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5168 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 142 of 153 27 September 2013 at 8:16pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you guys! It's always nice to share learning experiences at this forum. So, I
should start with my travel log. Day 1: Arriving at Panama's airport Panama is a good place for shopping, even if you stay just at the airport. We realized we forgot to bring our camera's memory stick so we figured out it would be better to buy a new one. We bought a simple one, but it was worth it. I was addressed normally in Spanish and replied in Spanish. Sometimes people would try some Portuguese, as in the makeup shop my wife was. We had time to taste a local soda, called Fresca. I liked it. Arriving at Curaçao We went through immigration and customs, picked our baggage and decided to rent a car. Curaçao is a big island and everything is so scattered, starting from the best beaches which are far away up in the north. I rented the car in Papiamento! Only now and then I switched to English. The clerk was really impressed, she said that my wife was from Brazil but asked me if I was from there or lived there (maybe they think anyone with a foreign accent might come from one of the other two islands). It was a nice experience. A reminded: it's much cheaper to book the renting beforehand, you'd get an entire week cheaper than two days, as we could see from the Brazilian couple we met there. Like I said, Curaçao seems so exotic, it is all high bushes with some spots of sand, dispersed houses and refinery equipment. Then comes Queen Juliana bridge that brings us up in the air, it was a bit breathtaking in the first time. Downtown is a totally different thing. It looks like it isn't real, with the colorful colonial Dutch houses! You can see them at both sides of the bay: Punda, where we stayed at a central old hotel, and Otrobanda. As it was in the afternoon and we were hungry, we decided to stay close and have lunch at one of the restaurants near the hotel. We ordered grilled seafood and beer. In the evening we just walked around downtown a bit. At restaurants and the hotel I talked mostly in English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5168 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 143 of 153 30 September 2013 at 10:54pm | IP Logged |
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Day 2 - Seaquarium Curaçao
Not much Papiamento in the morning, even though the welcome board says "Bon bini". I got to see (and touch) sharks, stingrays, star-fish and my wife did the swimming with dolphins. We stayed at the beach close to sea aquarium, met two Brazilian couples (one of them works for a travel agency and I told him I'd like to work with languages at World Cup 2014). Then we drove long north to Curaçao's best beach, Kenepa Grandi, which was worth the long trip through the suburbs of an unknown country/island. We didn't stay long there, but it was enough to get a good Caribbean feeling. I saw some interesting buildings (mostly churches) and if I'm not mistaken we went to a shopping mall where I bought my first two books and a newspaper. Ah! I did talk in Papiamento to the clerk, I even remember saying I wanted a koránt, I didn't say anything like jornal, newspaper or periódico. It was interesting how I could sometimes remember obscure words which weren't obvious Romance cognates. In the evening we went to have dinner at Fort Nassau! A great location, up in the hills close to Queen Juliana Bridge. I got a great view of the bay, good international food with a local flavor (like crème brûlée with Curaçao Blue liqueur) and I talked a lot to the waiter in Papiamento, she was nice and happy with the fact a foreigner had learned the local language. I remember saying "Mi no ta gusta suku" (=sugar; we were talking about ordering the desserts), and suku is a false friend with Portuguese suco=juice, if you consider the pronunciation is the same. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5168 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 144 of 153 02 October 2013 at 9:26pm | IP Logged |
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Day 3: More beaches & food
It was planned as a day for walking downtown, seeing the shops and historical buildings, but things didn't work out that way and this cultural part of the trip wasn't accomplished. This happened mostly thanks to the distance to the beaches we visited in the morning. We only managed to drop by a bookstore on the way back, where I found the Papiamentu-English-Papiamento dictionary I'm reading now. What a find! It's something totally different now to be able to read with a proper, complete dictionary. Anyway, we had to return the car, so we rushed. We had trouble finding the hotel where we should take the car back. It was close to ours but the street wasn't viewable at the GPS, nor the hotel's or mall's name. Besides, we had to fill up gas again. I had never been to a self-service gas station, it was troublesome! Fortunately some people helped out. In the end, we returned the car at 15:30, while we were supposed to do so at 13:30 after having left the beach at 11:30! We were exhausted and starving, we just crossed the bridge back to Punda and I ate a delicious crab sandwich (I'm really into eating sandwiches). After having lunch and being so tired, no way we could walk downtown that time, and we went to the hotel and woke up after 6 pm, so, as it was our last day, no historical buildings walk at Punda. Maybe next time :/ At least in the evening we had dinner at a great place, Governour's, which is located at Otrobanda. Having to return the car there was useful for finding out this restaurant! I had great local food, keshi yena! Everything is well-served at Curaçao (and almost anywhere at Aruba, for that matter), so ordering for two would never be necessary. Anyway, this keshi yena was filled with chicken (it was much more chicken, just a topping of cheese, exactly the opposite of Brazilian escondidinho which has cassava with some pieces of meat here and there). We crossed the floating bridge Queen Emma back to the hotel, it was a nice evening, and a flight awaited us in the morning. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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