William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6068 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 65 of 77 24 December 2009 at 7:43pm | IP Logged |
I think you could learn a language to a functional level in three months. Fluency - no. Not even basic fluency as opposed to advanced fluency.
Edited by William Camden on 24 December 2009 at 7:44pm
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RichF Diglot Pro Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5242 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Personal Language Map
| Message 66 of 77 27 December 2009 at 6:20am | IP Logged |
I just read this post, and thought I would say hello for the first time here. I have been studying Spanish for year, and always was told that I have a great grasp of the language, and at times can "sound" native to non native speakers. This does not make me fluent, but makes gives me a strong command of the language. I can communicate with anyone about anything, and have given college lectures. That said, I have a hard time knowing the difference between some of the more subtle ways of expressing Spanish in the past and conditional forms of the subjunctive, for example. Until I can really master some of those finer points, I would never call myself fluent. Anque la majoria de la gente piensa que hablo fluente, nunca voy estar satisfecho haste que hable mucho mejor que ahora. Es un gran processo, y seria mejor te tuviera un poco humilidad, no?
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administrator Hexaglot Forum Admin Switzerland FXcuisine.com Joined 7172 days ago 3094 posts - 2987 votes 12 sounds Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Personal Language Map
| Message 67 of 77 27 December 2009 at 12:04pm | IP Logged |
Good morning Richard, and welcome to our forum!
I think you will find subjunctive constructions really easy to master by using the numerous subjunctive drills found in FSI Spanish, which you can download for free. In most cases it's just about changing one vowel in the verb to indicate possibility or thought. Very elegant and you can build on this to learn French or Italian later on. Do you watch many movies in Spanish with Spanish subtitles? There are loads of Mexican movies you can buy on Amazon, many very good. It helps understand the subtleties of the real life use of Spanish. Good luck!
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RichF Diglot Pro Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5242 days ago 3 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Personal Language Map
| Message 68 of 77 28 December 2009 at 12:36am | IP Logged |
administrator wrote:
Good morning Richard, and welcome to our forum!
I think you will find subjunctive constructions really easy to master by using the numerous subjunctive drills found in FSI Spanish, which you can download for free. In most cases it's just about changing one vowel in the verb to indicate possibility or thought. Very elegant and you can build on this to learn French or Italian later on. Do you watch many movies in Spanish with Spanish subtitles? There are loads of Mexican movies you can buy on Amazon, many very good. It helps understand the subtleties of the real life use of Spanish. Good luck! |
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Thanks for the nice welcome. I understand the subjunctive well (am using FSI, lesson 43 at the moment), and certainly can use it when speaking slowly-now it is about integrating it into rapid speach. You are 100percent correct about the drills, they have served me very well. Now, its about doing it over and over. I read a lot of news and BBC mundo, and travel to Latin America four or so times a year. I speak as well as some people who refer to themselves as fairly fluent- I hold a high standard for myself!
Thanks,
Rich
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ChiaBrain Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5604 days ago 402 posts - 512 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish* Studies: Portuguese, Italian, French Studies: German
| Message 69 of 77 28 December 2009 at 9:02pm | IP Logged |
dbh2ppa wrote:
Enhorabuena! Aunque sería bueno que demostraras tus nuevas habilidades de hablar en español, por aquello de los escépticos, porque es demasiado común que en estos foro aparezca gente de vez en cuando profesando una nueva formula mágica para aprender idiomas sin realmente conocer el idioma, o a veces incluso sin darse cuenta que, aunque creían saberlo, su habilidad en el idioma es casi inexistente.
En todo caso, si has logrado realmente alcanzar fluidéz en el español en tan corto tiempo, te lo aseguro, no eres nada menos que un genio. |
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Bueno... Yo aprendi Español solamente mirando revistas en el baño, pero ahora nada mas que puedo hablar mierda :)
Edited by ChiaBrain on 28 December 2009 at 9:11pm
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zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6168 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 70 of 77 28 December 2009 at 9:08pm | IP Logged |
Caps lock is cruise control for cool. Cool story bro!
Edited by zerothinking on 28 December 2009 at 9:09pm
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datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5381 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French
| Message 71 of 77 04 January 2010 at 1:55am | IP Logged |
RichF wrote:
administrator wrote:
Good morning Richard, and welcome to our forum!
I think you will find subjunctive constructions really easy to master by using the numerous subjunctive drills found in FSI Spanish, which you can download for free. In most cases it's just about changing one vowel in the verb to indicate possibility or thought. Very elegant and you can build on this to learn French or Italian later on. Do you watch many movies in Spanish with Spanish subtitles? There are loads of Mexican movies you can buy on Amazon, many very good. It helps understand the subtleties of the real life use of Spanish. Good luck! |
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Thanks for the nice welcome. I understand the subjunctive well (am using FSI, lesson 43 at the moment), and certainly can use it when speaking slowly-now it is about integrating it into rapid speach. You are 100percent correct about the drills, they have served me very well. Now, its about doing it over and over. I read a lot of news and BBC mundo, and travel to Latin America four or so times a year. I speak as well as some people who refer to themselves as fairly fluent- I hold a high standard for myself!
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Where exactly is the subjunctive in FSI Spanish? Like what Lesson?
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hypersport Senior Member United States Joined 5677 days ago 216 posts - 307 votes Studies: Spanish
| Message 72 of 77 04 January 2010 at 5:09am | IP Logged |
Which FSI are you referring to? Both Basic and Programmatic deal heavily with the subjunctive, present and imperfect.
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