Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5339 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 97 of 222 25 March 2010 at 12:26pm | IP Logged |
BartoG wrote:
So when you learn a word, you start with the association between the word
and what it represents, and have besides that a sense of how the word fits into a larger
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That is indeed what we are trying to achieve.
BartoG wrote:
If you try to learn just the vocabulary of a language without learning
anything else, I don't know how far you'd get. |
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That is not what we are trying to achieve.
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BartoG Diglot Senior Member United States confession Joined 5405 days ago 292 posts - 818 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Italian, Spanish, Latin, Uzbek
| Message 98 of 222 26 March 2010 at 6:29am | IP Logged |
Arekkusu,
Looking again, I see I meandered a bit in my last post. What I was going for is that meaningless syllables, even if given some significance, still wouldn't have the overall framework of language to exist in, so it might be that what the memory tests are directed toward does not address what we are trying to achieve here (to take your phrase).
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starst Triglot Senior Member China Joined 5472 days ago 113 posts - 133 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, Japanese, EnglishC2 Studies: FrenchC1, German, Norwegian
| Message 99 of 222 26 March 2010 at 10:37am | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
Pyx wrote:
Hasn't been two weeks yet ;) How's it going for you? |
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I keep doing a list or two a day, but I keep finding it hard to both "enjoy myself" and
finish writing all 25 words within the allotted 20 minutes. Even when I select the words
first. I'm thinking about shortening the lists. |
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25 sounds a long list... I'm thinking of giving it a try with 10 words/day, hmm.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5339 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 100 of 222 01 April 2010 at 4:32am | IP Logged |
Well, this was my first distillation.
I did not remember 30% of the words.
Actually, I probably barely remembered 10%.
But, as the system requires, I proceeded to distill until 8 of the 25 entries were
eliminated by combining multiple entries into single entries.
This was the first distillation of my first list, so perhaps I hadn't adjusted to the
system just yet. I've got another 2 weeks worth of lists, so I'll continue the
experiment.
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Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5693 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 101 of 222 01 April 2010 at 4:41am | IP Logged |
I just reviewed my list (I only made one. I'm lazy.) and I only sort-of remembered 4 out of 25 words, and those I mostly just guessed correctly from the individual character meanings. So, as far as I am concerned, Gold Lists don't work, and I'll stick to my SRS.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5339 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 102 of 222 01 April 2010 at 4:47am | IP Logged |
Pyx wrote:
I just reviewed my list (I only made one. I'm lazy.) and I only sort-of
remembered 4 out of 25 words, and those I mostly just guessed correctly from the
individual character meanings. So, as far as I am concerned, Gold Lists don't work, and
I'll stick to my SRS. |
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You're pretty quick to throw in the towel!
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Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5693 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 103 of 222 01 April 2010 at 4:52am | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
Pyx wrote:
I just reviewed my list (I only made one. I'm lazy.) and I only sort-of
remembered 4 out of 25 words, and those I mostly just guessed correctly from the
individual character meanings. So, as far as I am concerned, Gold Lists don't work, and
I'll stick to my SRS. |
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You're pretty quick to throw in the towel! |
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Well, what do you expect me to do? Stick with a method which does not appear to work for me when there is a perfectly fine method which has proven itself to me? No, Sir, I'll be interested to hear about your experiences, but when I tried something and it didn't deliver - then going back to what works isn't "throwing the towel" to me, but just common sense :)
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Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5627 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin
| Message 104 of 222 01 April 2010 at 10:01am | IP Logged |
I have used goldlists for a few months now, trying out several variations (such as combining them with Iversen's idea of writing the target word twice per row). After all these experiments I came to the conclusion that the most important factor in their effectiveness was that the lists contained words I cared about learning. A list of 25 parts of a washing machine was a complete failure (I remembered absolutely none of them two weeks later). A list of words from an article about the Iron Age (something I am interested in) resulted in remembering more than half of the words.
As others have said, it is a very similar system to a SRS. The difference being that (as with Iversen's wordlists) you write the entries by hand rather than type them up. The creator of Goldlists says this is an important part of the method since (somehow) our brains are wired to pay attention to what we write (rather than type). My own feeling on this was that writing is (for me) slower than typing, so that I was forced to pay more attention to the words as I wrote them out. For words I wanted to learn this was a great advantage, since I could wallow in them, and ponder them as I wrote. For words I had no interest in, though, the writing was a chore I couldn't wait to escape from.
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