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| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5067 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes  Studies: Italian | Message 137 of 222 12 October 2010 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It seems to me that this is the wrong way around? Oxford defines the words thus: Methodology = "a set of methods and principles used to perform a particular activity" Method = "a particular way of doing something" or "the quality of being planned and organized" Therefore it would seem logical to say: Methodology is Method + Material Edited by Romanist on 12 October 2010 at 12:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| plaidchuck Diglot Groupie United States facebook.com/plaidchRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5090 days ago 71 posts - 93 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 138 of 222 14 October 2010 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Well I have done two first distillation lists so far (from Spanish "headlists" from the 28th/29th of September roughly 15 days after) and so far so good I suppose. I'm trying to follow the method to the letter, so I followed the instructions as is said to not just cover the English up but decide on 8 words that you are comfortable with and discard them.
Although as a caveat I must mention that I also put these 8 words into Anki as a type of "insurance" and test so that I remember them. This is a bit of the confusing part because the one video he is working with someone and asking them polish words without any English. I will probably cover up the English or actually cover up the Spanish(as this is I think is ultimately the way to test your active knowledge) in future distillations to really put this to the test. Of course I have my reservations about this as well because we all know in the end you want to be able to think in your target language, not just translate constantly. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Huliganov Octoglot Senior Member Poland huliganov.tvRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5140 days ago 91 posts - 304 votes Speaks: English*, Polish, French, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech Studies: Romanian, Turkish, Mandarin, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 139 of 222 01 November 2010 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I suggest you read the above. There are plenty of people who have reported favorably on the method. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Huliganov Octoglot Senior Member Poland huliganov.tvRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5140 days ago 91 posts - 304 votes Speaks: English*, Polish, French, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech Studies: Romanian, Turkish, Mandarin, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 140 of 222 01 November 2010 at 11:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
This is only your view. You cannot prove any of that. The Goldlist Method, correctly applied, is a method of language learning which can apply to the grammar and not only the voicabularies. I have spent some time in my videos covering that. Also, at least allow me to call my system what I choose, since I did develop it, rather than yourself. Your view that it's standard to talk of methods and methodologies only where the language material is presented to you also is balderdash. The word you are looking for is "course". Of course. Your point about a list being a mnemonic is also utterly unhelpful. If a list is a mnemonic, then everything is a mnemonic. I think it's clear what kind of memory trick I'm referring to, and the pieces I've written illustrate them, so I think you are just trying to be difficult. Rather than undermine me, why not produce a better way? Edited by Huliganov on 01 November 2010 at 11:10pm 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Huliganov Octoglot Senior Member Poland huliganov.tvRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5140 days ago 91 posts - 304 votes Speaks: English*, Polish, French, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech Studies: Romanian, Turkish, Mandarin, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 141 of 222 01 November 2010 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm sure you do, but the goldlist method will not in itself switch the thinking switch on. That comes at the activation point, and takes three days of immersion to happen. But on the other hand I personally believe that trying to be in active mode while learning a language the whole time is a distraction that just holds most learners back from acquiring the passive vocabulary size they need to be able to read just about anything in the language and to understand just about any conversation, as well as say just about anything they like once they do undergo activation. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Huliganov Octoglot Senior Member Poland huliganov.tvRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5140 days ago 91 posts - 304 votes Speaks: English*, Polish, French, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech Studies: Romanian, Turkish, Mandarin, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 142 of 222 01 November 2010 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I haven't rewritten any instructions. Apart from anything else the original instructions were copied here by someone else, and also the majority of material is on video and datestamped on YT, and I cannot change it. You seem to be accusing me of some underhand play in this sentence, but that's not my way. I did not give humanity this entirely free method in order to have to play games of that sort. Save it for the people who are bilking folk out of major money for systems that are doomed to fail them entirely, which this system is designed and intended to be an antidote to. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| LangOfChildren Tetraglot Groupie Germany Joined 5212 days ago 82 posts - 141 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Swedish Studies: Mandarin, Japanese, Thai, Russian | Message 143 of 222 01 November 2010 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'd like to add some of my (limited) experiences with the Method (yes, it is a method).
Limited, because of my own inablitity to keep going, which is my own fault. Way back, when I stumbled across the Gold List Method on Youtube, I immediately tried it out, with Turkish, which back then, I really couldn't speak or understand at all. Back then I didn't think it would be necessary to have some prior knowledge of the language for the method to work. But I actually had trouble remembering even 10 % of the words, let alone 33 %. It was also quite hard to make a list in just 20 minutes, at least for me. It felt quite rushed, so I took a little more time, but not much, because I wanted to trust the instructions. So what happened was that I had to combine many words so that the distillation could get done, which then meant that I didn't really reduce the number of words. So it went downhill from there. Now, I actually "blame" this on me not knowing enough grammar to make meaningful fusions for the new distillations as well as me not being enough into the language in general. It appears as though it is crucial to do something else beside the word list to make the list itself work. I don't know if other people have experienced something similar. After that I stopped, again, because I usually fail to stay on one path for too long. I may give it another try with a different language some day, and I will make sure to study grammar along-side and preferably study just *anything* about the language so that the words in the list don't feel as alien to the brain. :) (I do remember you (Huliganov) mentioning to study grammar, but it kinda fell under the table somehow). 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Huliganov Octoglot Senior Member Poland huliganov.tvRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5140 days ago 91 posts - 304 votes Speaks: English*, Polish, French, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech Studies: Romanian, Turkish, Mandarin, Japanese, Hungarian | Message 144 of 222 02 November 2010 at 12:20am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thanks for that. Please regard the 20 minutes as just a guideline as you need to do it at whatever pace is best for you. The key is not to try to force learn them but to let the, pass by your consciousness so as to take an interest in them and enjoy them, but not "learn them for tomorrow" or feel, as in some courses, that until you are sure you know all this, you cannot go on and get any more. Nobody learned their mother tongue that way, and it's a way which people learn to learn other subjects but which is fatal for languages. If someone learns at all that way, then it certainly isn't optimally. I used GL for a little Turkish but I also didn't continue as I needed to work on other languages, much as I like the sound and the structure of Turkish, but I know that the 500 or so I did put in there can be picked up again later. If you can only delete outright 10% not 30%, you can also use combination to reduce the lines on the next distillation. This act of combining words is also a natural way of remembering them to the LT memory. It doesn't seem to cause a switchover to conscious, or short-term memory. And so using that as well as outright discarding can help to discard more on the next level later. There is still quite a lot more I need to write on the method, and I think that the book will have to be a priority in 2011. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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