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TAC ’14: Sokoły / Соколи (Pol./Ukr. Team) | ||
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6951 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes  20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 81 of 151 19 January 2014 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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Update for Роlіsh аnd Ukrаіnіаn
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| vermillon Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4473 days ago 602 posts - 1042 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, German | Message 82 of 151 21 January 2014 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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@Chung: thanks for your common and the pointer. Somehow I expected such an answer, so I'm not too disappointed. Still, for English, exposure tends to make the learner get the general meaning of phrasal verb particles, so that newly encountered once can be almost readily understood. I hope that at some point one can develop such a feeling for verb prefixes in Polish as well.
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6951 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 83 of 151 21 January 2014 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's also similar in Hungarian with its prefixed verbs and I've had similar difficulties when studying it. The worst part about these Hungarian verbs is that the perfective-like sense of a prefixed verb can be marked by one of a few prefixes.
E.g. olvasni "to read" elolvasni "to read [to completion]" (el- ~ "away") menni "to go" bemenni "to go into" (be- ~ "into") elmenni "to go out/away" (el- ~ "away") oldani "to solve" [I don't think that is very common] megoldani "to solve" [more common, and the meaning has a perfective nuance to it since by definition, the resolution of a problem implies completion] (meg- ~ [implies completion] cf. meg "and, plus") feloldani "to declassify" (fel- ~ "up") If you're not a native speaker, something like megolvasni as a perfective counterpart to olvasni may sound idiomatic. The truth is that Hungarians use elolvasni in this sense. Megolvasni is an archaic variant of elolvasni, and it's more suitably translated or understood now as "to count [money]". It's a bit frustrating but exposure as you mention is probably the best way to get a handle on the apparent lack of a simple rule to determine which prefix to use when deriving prefixed verbs. Edited by Chung on 21 January 2014 at 3:33pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5144 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 84 of 151 26 January 2014 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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So here is my attempt at the first team task. I didn't use a dictionary or refer to a grammar book, because I wanted to learn from my mistakes and really test myself. Obviously the sentences are very simple, because I had a very limited amount of vocabulary to choose from. I guessed some of the grammar forms and wasn't sure about some of the spellings either so there are plenty of mistakes for someone to correct if they're willing. I'll be very grateful if they do.
Я англіець, але живу в чески републикі. Люблю мовив. У мене є дружіна, котру звуть гелена. моя жінка ческа. маю сабаку, котрого звуть макс. Яа учитель, моя дружіна учителька. Працуємо в школі. мий брат їде на универзитет. мої батьки англіци, живуть в англїї. дуже їм. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Duan Newbie Canada Joined 4591 days ago 36 posts - 48 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Polish, French | Message 85 of 151 27 January 2014 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Cześć! Oto moja próba:
Mam na imię Duan. Mieszkam w Kanady. Mam trzydzieści pięc lat, i uczę się języka polskiego na więcej niż dwa lat. Ostatni rok, byłem w Polsce dwa razy. Rozumiem trochę ale chchiałbym zostać lepiej. Mam żona i dwoje dzieci, syn i córka. Może będziemy dostać pies na kilku miesięcy. Lubię czytać, podrózować i jeżdzić rowerem. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| t1234 Diglot Newbie South Africa Joined 3933 days ago 38 posts - 83 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans Studies: Turkish, Polish | Message 86 of 151 27 January 2014 at 11:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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Update for Polish
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| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4654 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 87 of 151 28 January 2014 at 10:17am | IP Logged | ||
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I've allowed myself to correct you:
Mam na imię Duan. Mieszkam w Kanadzie. Mam trzydzieści pięc lat i uczę się języka polskiego od ponad dwóch lat. W ostatnim roku/W ciągu ostatniego roku byłem w Polsce dwa razy. Trochę rozumiem polski, ale chciałbym rozumieć lepiej. Mam żonę i dwoje dzieci, syna i córkę. Byćmoże dostaniemy psa na kilka miesięcy/Być może3 dostaniemy psa zakilka miesięcy. Lubię czytać, podrózować i jeżdzić rowerem. na kilka miesięcy - for a few months za kilka miesięcy - in time of a few months, after few months "Trochę rozumiem polski" sounds a little bit weird to my ears, but I haven't found a better way to say it, so... Edited by prz_ on 28 January 2014 at 10:19am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| rahdonit Bilingual Tetraglot Groupie Ukraine Joined 6409 days ago 50 posts - 87 votes Speaks: Russian*, Ukrainian*, English, German | Message 88 of 151 28 January 2014 at 11:31am | IP Logged | ||
Я англієць, але живу в Чеській Республіці. Я люблю (вивчати) мови. У мене є дружина, її звуть Гелена. Моя жінка -чешка. Я маю собаку, котрого звуть Макс. Я вчитель, моя дружина також учителька. Ми працюємо в школі. Мій брат навчається в університеті. Мої батьки - англійці, вони живуть в Англії. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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