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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3881 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes  Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 73 of 126 20 September 2014 at 11:36am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks everyone!!!!
A simple question - I encountered the following sentence: Was bringt sie dem Jungen? Why is it "Jungen" and not "Junge"? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5398 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 74 of 126 20 September 2014 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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This is a widespread declension type of grammatic masculine, living beings, whose plural ends also in -(e)n:
Der Bär - dem Bären der Fürst - dem Fürsten der Narr - dem Narren der Falke - dem Falken der Kunde - dem Kundem der Neffe - dem Neffen der Zar - dem Zaren der Affe - dem Affen der Sklave - dem Sklaven der Hase - dem Hasen And therefore also die Bären, die Fürsten, die Narren etc. in the plural. Exception: Der Fels, dem Felsen (a rock does not live) But for example der Mann becomes dem Mann(e), because its plural is Männer, not *Mannen. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4033 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 75 of 126 20 September 2014 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's a weak noun.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Junge#German http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/nouns/weak-nouns-the-n-d eclension/ 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5119 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 76 of 126 20 September 2014 at 1:06pm | IP Logged | ||
Note that in colloquial German the -en singular Dative ending is often dropped, if the noun ends in a consonant. For example: Er gab dem Zar[en]/Narr[en] ein Geschenk. = He gave the Tsar/fool a present. However, in formal writing, the -en ending is usually maintained. BTW, other case endings are also on the "endangered endings list." For a short summary see this German blog post by Bastian Sick. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3881 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 77 of 126 21 September 2014 at 8:01am | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks!! Didnt know about these special declensions!
Another Q: Also von morgen ab hört mir das mit dem Bier bei Tisch auf. Should it be "beim" instead of "bei"? When are there no der/ein/kein/mein type words between prepositions and nouns? Edited by Gemuse on 22 September 2014 at 7:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5398 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 78 of 126 21 September 2014 at 11:50am | IP Logged | ||
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There are fixed expressions of a preposition with a noun without the article. These idioms are not productive anymore:
an Bord gehen, an Land gehen auf See außer Haus, außer Konkurrenz bei Tische, bei Anbruch (des Tages, der Dunkelheit) gegen Abend nach Wunsch, nach Laune über Nacht ohne Zweifel, ohne Gewähr in See stechen zu Bett gehen, zu Füßen legen, zu Füßen fallen zu Kopfe steigen, zu Markte tragen zu Felde ziehen, zu Tisch gehen Bei Tische (or zu Tische) means "when we are eating". Learn it as an expression. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 3881 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 79 of 126 24 September 2014 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks again!
Sentence 1: Er sieht keinen Menschen mehr. Sentence 2: Ich habe das Auto nicht gesehen. Why is the object in dativ S1 and akk in S2? EDIT: nevermind, apparently S1 is also akk and der Mensch is a weak noun. Edited by Gemuse on 24 September 2014 at 6:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4033 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 80 of 126 24 September 2014 at 6:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's not dative in S1, probably... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Menschen
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