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Cabaire
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 Message 105 of 126
10 November 2014 at 5:55pm | IP Logged 
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That's funny, I always thought you couldn't have two accusatives


If you have two accusatives, they are usually the same thing or person:
Ich taufe dich Hans.
Ich schimpfe dich einen Narren.
Ich nenne dich einen redlichen Mann.
Ich glaubte dich einen Freund (elevated style)
Ich unterschreibe mich ihren gehorsamen Diener (obsolete)

Only some verbs can have a person and and a thing as two objects:
Ich lehre dich die Mathematik (lehren).
Der Lehrer fragt ihn die Vokabeln ab (abfragen).
Das Haus kostet dich ein Haufen Geld (kosten).
Ich frage dich etwas
(aber: Ich frage dich nach dem Wetter. Nicht: Ich frage dich *das Wetter*)

Its use with fragen is restricted:
"Er fragte mich vielerlei Sachen, ich frage dich das, ich will dich nur eines fragen, ich will euch auch ein Wort fragen, etwas frage ich mich" are possible, but more concrete objects need a preposition.


PS. A temporal accusative is of course another topic and absolutely normal:
Ich sehe ihn den ganzen Tag.

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Josquin
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 Message 106 of 126
10 November 2014 at 9:46pm | IP Logged 
Cabaire wrote:
Das Haus kostet dich einen Haufen Geld (kosten).

I hate to correct another native speaker, but this kind of mistake makes my eyes hurt...
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Cabaire
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 Message 107 of 126
10 November 2014 at 10:10pm | IP Logged 
"Kackt der Hund auf den Bürgersteig, kostet dich ein Haufen Geld" said the police man to the dog owner and imposed a fine on him :-)

Sorry to have hurt anyone...

Edited by Cabaire on 10 November 2014 at 10:17pm

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schoenewaelder
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 Message 108 of 126
11 November 2014 at 4:09pm | IP Logged 
Cabaire wrote:

If you have two accusatives, they are usually the same thing or person:

Only some verbs can have a person and and a thing as two objects:

(aber: Ich frage dich nach dem Wetter. Nicht: Ich frage dich *das Wetter*)

Its use with fragen is restricted:

PS. A temporal accusative is of course another topic and absolutely normal:


Many thanks. Another pebble in my bucket. Unfortunately it seems to have a hole.
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Gemuse
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 Message 109 of 126
21 November 2014 at 11:36pm | IP Logged 
I'm trying to figure out the construction of this sentence from Assimil:
Da wird doch nichts passiert sein?

It is future tense? The translation says: I hope nothing happened. So it should be past tense.

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 Message 110 of 126
22 November 2014 at 12:29am | IP Logged 
Literally it's the future perfect? Reminds me on the Romance tendency to use future forms to convey uncertainty.
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Cabaire
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 Message 111 of 126
22 November 2014 at 1:58am | IP Logged 
Serpent is right. In German you can use the futurum exactum as a past tense, if you suppose that something has happened:

Da wird sich seine Mutter sicherlich gefreut haben = Ich nehme an, seine Mutter hat sich gefreut
Er wird seinen Schlüssel vrloren haben = Er hat vermutlich seinen Schlüssel verloren.

Rarer is its use for the future:
Vielleicht wird die Menschheit bis dahin so weit gelangt sein, daß es keine Kriege mehr gibt.
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Gemuse
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 Message 112 of 126
22 November 2014 at 5:38am | IP Logged 
Thanks, Serpent and Cabaire. I wasn't even aware there was something called future perfect!


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