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Jinx
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 Message 1969 of 3740
26 September 2011 at 3:03pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
Jinx wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
QiuJP wrote:
   

When you are the buddy that this poster talks about, and would like to add, that on
that
day, you also have a Czech and Japanese book.


When you insert commas that look unnatural in English (or Chinese), because in other
languages(German, Russian), which you are learning, these commas are necessary, and you
are considered uneducated, if you do not insert them.


I've totally started doing that. Now when I write a sentence like this one in English,
every part of my brain is screaming "RUN-ON SENTENCE!" (I originally wrote that
previous sentence without any commas, but I couldn't bear it and had to go back and add
the comma after "English".)

Isn't the comma before "when" necessary. Why do we have to put a comma after "English",
but do not have to put a comma after "now"?


No, Mark, you're absolutely right, one should indeed theoretically have two commas in my example sentence! The reason I wrote it like that was to purposefully show how I need to consciously REMOVE commas now, even if I have to halfway-give-in by including one after all. ;)
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montmorency
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 Message 1970 of 3740
26 September 2011 at 4:46pm | IP Logged 
Jinx wrote:


No, Mark, you're absolutely right, one should indeed theoretically have two commas in
my example sentence! The reason I wrote it like that was to purposefully show how I
need to consciously REMOVE commas now, even if I have to halfway-give-in by including
one after all. ;)


This is interesting:

http://grammar.wikia.com/wiki/Oxford_english_prepositions

Quote:

And, outside of North America, which is very conservative with its language, there is a
strong tendency towards minimising punctuation.


i.e. so long as the meaning is clear, we can remove as much punctuation as we want in
modern British English. This is certainly the message that has been both implicit and
explicit, in developments in English during my adult life. So I used to minimise them.
I think, like Jinx, I now tend to put more in again, owing to the influence of German,
which has some strict rules, but even then, in some cases, allows you to put extra ones
in if they make the meaning clearer. You can't leave out the compulsory ones though.




Edited by montmorency on 26 September 2011 at 4:48pm

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Марк
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 Message 1971 of 3740
26 September 2011 at 6:25pm | IP Logged 
montmorency wrote:


i.e. so long as the meaning is clear, we can remove as much punctuation as we want in
modern British English. This is certainly the message that has been both implicit and
explicit, in developments in English during my adult life. So I used to minimise them.

Then full stops and especially question marks must be omitted. Questions have special
constructions and new sentences start with a capital letter.
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LebensForm
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 Message 1972 of 3740
27 September 2011 at 4:01pm | IP Logged 
When your local German channel is still out, beem almost 2 weeks and you've had enough so you are going to go over there and talk to the man in charge of cable stuff. I wonder if anyone else even knows that it's not working, eh they just don't care like I do :(

When you look forward to your language labs.
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meramarina
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 Message 1973 of 3740
29 September 2011 at 4:30am | IP Logged 
You know you are a language nerd when you want to practice your languages, but that's simply impossible because you've just had emergency dental surgery. So to console yourself as you recover, you try to invent a language program for the half-numb, half-agonized, swollen and somewhat drugged language learner:

Wanna lern ta ffffpeeek a lankfish like Ffpaniff ur Ruffiin wiff da befft meffet? (spit blood) Fell dats too bat, gonna hafta wait. Dammit hurt. Fut up and go ta fweep till dwugs go way



Edited by meramarina on 29 September 2011 at 4:31am

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montmorency
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 Message 1974 of 3740
29 September 2011 at 1:04pm | IP Logged 
Марк wrote:
montmorency wrote:


i.e. so long as the meaning is clear, we can remove as much punctuation as we want in
modern British English. This is certainly the message that has been both implicit and
explicit, in developments in English during my adult life. So I used to minimise them.

Then full stops and especially question marks must be omitted. Questions have special
constructions and new sentences start with a capital letter.



I suppose carried to its logical conclusion, you could do that (unless this was a reductio ad absurdum). Most people would find this too much I think. The important point is: is the meaning still clear, and I think there was a feeling that a lot of commas could just get in the way, and those were what tended to go, wherever there was no ambiguity. A simple example would be that we always used to write commas in addresses and now nobody does. But also colons and semi-colons to some extent. Full stops and question marks are still too useful to be done away with I think. Of course, experimental novelists have written without conventional punctuation in the past.

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psy88
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 Message 1975 of 3740
30 September 2011 at 3:18am | IP Logged 
meramarina wrote:
You know you are a language nerd when you want to practice your languages, but that's simply impossible because you've just had emergency dental surgery. So to console yourself as you recover, you try to invent a language program for the half-numb, half-agonized, swollen and somewhat drugged language learner:

Wanna lern ta ffffpeeek a lankfish like Ffpaniff ur Ruffiin wiff da befft meffet? (spit blood) Fell dats too bat, gonna hafta wait. Dammit hurt. Fut up and go ta fweep till dwugs go way




I think I can relate to you-I just had my third emergency root canal this past Monday, so YKYAALN when you can't decide if it is a good thing or a bad thing that you cannot understand the dentist when he makes comments to his assistant in Korean. You know the comments are not just random remarks, but do you really want to know what he is saying about the surgical procedure that he does not want you to know?



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meramarina
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 Message 1976 of 3740
30 September 2011 at 3:54am | IP Logged 
I got through a root canal once by thinking about accusative vs. dative prepositions in German. And it really hurt.

I couldn't do anything nerdy like that this time because I had IV anesthesia. Sometimes people say strange things when recovering - I don't think I did, but I'd be kind of proud of myself if I burbled or blurted out something in another language.

EDIT: In the first sentence I wrote pronouns instead of prepositions! That's why posting should not be done while under the influence of medication! Nerds don't let nerds post when on drugs!



Edited by meramarina on 02 October 2011 at 5:41pm



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