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 DavidStyles Octoglot Pro Member United Kingdom Joined 3735 days ago 82 posts - 179 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, French, Portuguese, Norwegian Studies: Mandarin, Russian, Swedish, Danish, Serbian, Arabic (Egyptian) Personal Language Map | Message 193 of 438 26 March 2014 at 1:17am | IP Logged | ||
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I battled quite a bit with the Danish. The Norwegian was pretty friendly, and the Swedish so easy that I took the liberty of making a translation that also fits the meter (so it could be sung to the same music). Anyway, I've done a fair bit of singing along to all three of these, too.
DANSK I Danmark er jeg født (In Denmark I was born) Verden, den er stor The world, it's big Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg trives hvor jeg bor I thrive where I live Men jeg savner Sudan og den røde jord But I miss Sudan and the red earth Min far, min søster og min bror, yeah My father, my sister, and my brother, yeah For Verden den er stor For the world is big¹ Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg savner min mor I miss my mother Når jeg følger mit hjerte, hen hvor peberet gror When I follow my heart, where the four winds blow² Og hvor musikken bor i hvert ét ord, yeah And where the music lives in each and every word, yeah I Danmark er jeg født In Denmark I was born Der har jeg hjemme I have a home there Der har jeg rod, og I have roots there, and Derfra min verden går That's where my world comes from Men jeg tøver år efter år But I stick around year after year Kan ikke se hele den vide verden hvor Can't see the whole wide world here Jeg skal blive gammel, slå mig ned og byg' min bondegård, yeah I'm gonna grow old, beat me down and build my farm, yeah Skal jeg blive hos min mor Shall I stay in my mother's house Og de hårde vintre i det kolde Nord And the hard winters in the cold North Eller skal jeg søge sydpå ad tropiske rytmespor Or shall I look to the South where tropical rhythms play Hjælp mig Odin og Thor! Help me Odin and Thor! Verden, den er stor The world, it's big Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg trives hvor jeg bor I thrive where I live Men jeg savner Sudan og den røde jord But I miss Sudan and the read earth Min far, min søster og min bror, yeah My father, my sister, and my brother, yeah For Verden den er stor For the world is big Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg savner min mor I miss my mother Når jeg følger mit hjerte, hen hvor peberet gror When I follow my heart, where the four winds blow Og hvor musikken bor i hvert ét ord, yeah And where the music lives in each and every word, yeah Jeg rejser væk igen og letter mit tungsind I travel away again, and lessen my sadness Fuld galop i den varme ørkenvind Full gallop in the warm desert wind Hesten den er døbt og købt af Bin Laden, The horse is named and bought by Bin Laden³ Jeg vinder løbet som den første kvinde, I win the race as the first woman Og Sudan er over ende... Ingen sinde And Sudan is over and ended... Never Har jeg følt mig så elsket og så hjem' Have I felt so loved and at so home Familien og de mange smil får mig til at glem'.. at The family and the many smiles makes me forget Det danske sprog er min moders stemm' That Danish is my mother tongue Kalder på mig inden længe It calls to me before long Med et suk, pudser jeg min vinge With a sigh, I polish my wings For at vende næsen stik nord igen In order to next go North again Men noget inden i mig trækker mod Caribien But something inside of me pulls me to the Carribean Der er en melodi There is a melody Så simpel og så fri, jeg synger med, for den har sat sig inden i So simple and so free, I sing along, for it has set itself inside of me Verden, den er stor The world, it's big Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg trives hvor jeg bor I thrive where I live Men jeg savner Sudan og den røde jord But I miss Sudan and the read earth Min far, min søster og min bror, yeah My father, my sister, and my brother, yeah For Verden den er stor For the world is big Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg savner min mor I miss my mother Når jeg følger mit hjerte, hen hvor peberet gror When I follow my heart, where the four winds blow Og hvor musikken bor i hvert ét ord, yeah And where the music lives in each and every word, yeah Danmark du fryser nu Denmark, you're freezing now Mennesker de gyser nu People they shudder now Lang er din vinter Long is your winter Jeg nynner den om hyacinter, men I hum it for hyacinths* Jeg ved at solen er væk igen I know that the sun is away again Og jeg skal langt for at finde den And I shall long to find it Så jeg tyr' til min musik, og jeg fatter papir og pen, yeah So I can shelter in my music, and I take paper and pen, yeah Jeg skriver sange om blandet blod I write songs about mixed blood Om den storm, der raser i mit hoved' About the storm that rages in my head Om at vælge eller vrage, om at være, om at vise mod...overskud About picking and choosing, about being, about showing courage, overflowing Verden, den er stor The world, it's big Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg trives hvor jeg bor I thrive where I live Men jeg savner Sudan og den røde jord But I miss Sudan and the read earth Min far, min søster og min bror, yeah My father, my sister, and my brother, yeah For Verden den er stor For the world is big Mærk dig mine ord Mark my words Jeg savner min mor I miss my mother Når jeg følger mit hjerte, hen hvor peberet gror When I follow my heart, where the four winds blow Og hvor musikken bor i hvert ét ord, yeah And where the music lives in each and every word, yeah Det er komplet lige meget, hvor pæredansk jeg er It's a done thing that no matter how Danish I am Jeg vil altid være hende "Den lille mørke dér" I will always be be called "That little darkie there" "Er du adopteret?" Are you adopted? "Kommer du fra Indien?" Are you from India? "Har du en far?" Have you a father? "Hvor kommer du fra?" Where are you from? Og jeg må svare: " Islands Brygge det er da klart" And I must answer "Iceland Quay, it's so obvious"⁴ Jeg føler mig dansk og det er nemt at blende ind I feel Danish and it's easy to blend in Men der vil altid være en Pia, en Johnny og en Evensen, But there'll always be a Tom, Dick, and Harry⁵ Der synes, jeg er for dum og grim og bør sendes hjem That take me for stupid and ugly and should be sent home Men fuсk nu dem, for jeg ved at hele verden er mit hjem But fuсk them now, because I know that the whole world is my home Kom igen! Come again! I Sudan har jeg kærlighed og slægt In Sudan I have fondness and roots Men mangler karrieren og skal ik' giftes væk But lack a career and shall not marry off Jamaica har min karriere i tjek Jamaica has my career in check Der er galop og der er backup når jeg flexer lyrik There's a rush and there's a backup when I flex lyrics⁶ Watcha, yo that little white girl deh can sing [sic] Bombocloth yo little white girl eah go be [sic] Where deh white girl come from [sic] Jeg kører klatten, når jeg taler som dem I'm driving the blob when I talk like them⁷ Jeg hører mine sange styrer Irie FM I hear my songs dominate Irie FM Og selvom de kan li' mig, og de elsker min stemm' And even they can like me, and they love my voice Så er jeg meget hvid're og lugter langt væk af peng' I'm still such a whitey and smack of foreign money Jeg prøver lykken år efter år I try my luck year after year Og jeg ved li' præcis hvor jeg står And I know exactly where I stand I Sudan er jeg en blegfis In Sudan I'm a cracker⁸ Og i Danmark det Sorte Får. And in Denmark the black sheep. Mæhhh Baaaa ¹ Lyrics I found listed online gave "får", but it has been brought to my attention that "for" would make much more sense here. ² Lit: where the peppers grow - I presume an idiom equivalent to the one I put in the English ³ Perhaps an idiomatic meaning I'm missing here, but the literal translation was all I could muster ⁴ This is a place in central Copenhagen ⁵ English equivalent of for example the German "Müller und Schulze". I don't know if this was a set Danish equivalent here, but the feeling is clearly the same. ⁶ I'm struggling with the music-speak here ⁷ I can only guess at what this means idiomatically. "Slumming it", perhaps? Or actually a positive meaning? ⁸ As per http://ordnet.dk/ddo/ordbog?query=blegfis NORSK Hun er forelska i lær'n (She's in love with the teacher) Hun sitter foran meg på første rad She sits in front of me in the first row Hun har blåe øyne, er bestandig glad She has blue eyes; she's always smiling¹ Jeg er forelska, men jeg får det ikke frem. I'm in love, but I'm getting nowhere² Jeg sender lapper, men jeg få'kke noen svar, I send her notes, but I don't get no reply³ Hun synes at jeg ikke er no' til kar. She thinks that I'm not enough of a man⁴ Hun er forelska, men.. Det er ikke i meg She's in love, but it's not with me Hun er forelska i lærer'n oh-oh-oh She's in love with the teacher Forelska i lærer'n oh-oh-oh In love with the teacher Hun er forelska i lærer'n She's in love with the teacher Og ikke i meg. And not with me Lærer'n vår er tjue år Our teacher's twenty (really, one can be a teacher at 20 in Norway?) Han har kraftig kropp og halvlangt hår He has a strong body and a mullet⁵ Han er hele skolens Don Juan. He's the whole school's Don Juan Og jeg er bare 15 år And I'm just 15 Hun sier: Kom tilbake om fire år She says come back in four years Hun er forelska, men She's in love, but Det er ikke i meg It's not with me Hun er forelska, men.. Det er ikke i meg She's in love, but it's not with me Hun er forelska i lærer'n oh-oh-oh She's in love with the teacher Forelska i lærer'n oh-oh-oh In love with the teacher Hun er forelska i lærer'n She's in love with the teacher Og ikke i meg. And not with me ¹ Lit: happy, cheerful ² Lit: I get it not forwards ³ The double-negative works for style in English here (style in the loosest sense of the word; the style of an ignorant teenager). ⁴ Alternately, if this is "noe" instead of "nok", then perhaps "She thinks that I ain't nobody", again, double negative for style. ⁵ Lit: "half-long hair"; the guy in the video has a mullet, in any case. And looks a touch older than 20, for that matter. SVENSKA Boten Anna (Anna the bot) Jag känner en bot I know a bot Hon heter Anna. Anna heter hon, Her name is Anna; Anna is her name Och hon kan banna, banna dig så hårt And she can ban you, ban you oh so hard¹ Hon röjer upp i våran kanal. She cleans up our channel Jag vill berätta för dig att jag känner en bot. I want to tell it to you that I know a bot Jag känner en bot I know a bot Hon heter Anna. Anna heter hon, Her name is Anna; Anna is her name Och hon kan banna, banna dig så hårt And she can ban you, ban you oh so hard Hon röjer upp i våran kanal. She cleans up in our channel Jag vill berätta för dig att jag känner en bot. I want to tell it to you that I know a bot Som alltid vaktar alla som är här, Who always watches everybody here Och som ser till att vi blir utan besvär. And makes it certain there's nowt that can go wrong² Det finns ingen take-over som lyckas. There's no takeover that succeeds Kom ihåg att det är jag som känner en bot. Just remember it is I who knows a bot En bot som ingen ingen annan slår A bot that absolutely nobody can beat Och hon kan kicka utan att hon får And she can kick out on her slightest whim³ Hon gör sig av med alla som spammar She does away with all the spammers⁴ Ja ingen kan slå våran bot Yeah no-one can beat our bot (Instrumental) Då kom den dagen jag inte trodde fanns Then came the day I never thought would come⁵ Den satte verkligen kanalen ur balans The channel really was completely out of sorts⁶ Jag trodde aldrig att jag hade så fel I never thought I'd ever been so wrong Men när Anna skrev och sa As when Anna wrote and said⁷ Jag är ingen bot I'm not a bot Jag är en väldigt, väldigt vacker tjej, I am a very, very pretty girl Som nu tyvärr är väldigt främmande för mig. Which now is sadly very strange indeed for me Men det finns inget som behöver förklaras, But there's nothing that needs to be said now⁸ För i mina ögon är hon alltid en bot For in my eyes she's still a bot Hon heter Anna. Anna heter hon, Her name is Anna; Anna is her name Och hon kan banna, banna dig så hårt And she can ban you, ban you oh so hard Hon röjer upp i våran kanal. She cleans up in our channel Jag vill berätta för dig att jag känner en bot. I want to tell it to you that I know a bot Som alltid vaktar alla som är här, Who always watches everybody here Och som ser till att vi blir utan besvär. And makes it certain there's nowt that can go wrong Det finns ingen take-over som lyckas. There's no takeover that succeeds Kom ihåg att det är jag som känner en bot. Just remember it is I who knows a bot En bot som ingen ingen annan slår A bot that absolutely nobody can beat Och hon kan kicka utan att hon får And she can kick out on her slightest whim Hon gör sig av med alla som spammar She does away with all the spammers Ja ingen kan slå våran bot Yeah no-one can beat our bot ¹ Lit: She can ban, ban you so hard ² Lit: And sees to it that there is no harm. By the way, "nowt" is a Northern dialectic word in English, from "nought" / "naught", nothing, with the same meaning. It fits the singer's style. If he were English, he'd be from Manchester, no question. ³ Lit: ...as she may ⁴ Lit: ...those who spam ⁵ Lit ...never thought existed ⁶ Lit: Then sat the channel really out of balance. This works in English semantically, but doesn't fit the meter. ⁷ Lit: But when Anna wrote and said. This actually works just fine in English too, but most English people would find it very odd, especially with the preceding slight pause in which they can lose track of the sentence. ⁸ There's no "now" in the Swedish, but I included it for the meter. Edited by DavidStyles on 29 March 2014 at 9:02pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4009 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 194 of 438 28 March 2014 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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Emme, I found these links, which may be useful (Swedish)
http://www.lingue.unige.it/download.php?file=5314 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6497 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 195 of 438 29 March 2014 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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Men jeg savner Sudan og den røde jord But I miss Sudan and the red earth Når jeg følger mit hjerte, hen hvor peberet gror When I follow my heart, where the four winds blow² (literally 'where the pepper grows', normally interpreted as the Malabar Coast in India) Jeg skal blive gammel, slå mig ned og byg' min bondegård, yeah I'm gonna grow old, [settle and build my farm, yeah ('slå ned' = knock down) Med et suk, pudser jeg min vinge With a sigh, I polish my wing For at vende næsen stik nord igen In order to next go North again (literally: in order to turn my nose due North again) Jeg nynner den om hyacinter, men I hum the one (:song) about hyacinths* Og jeg skal langt for at finde den And I have to go far away to find it Så jeg tyr' til min musik, og jeg fatter papir og pen, yeah So I shall have recourse to my music, and I take paper and pen, yeah Men der vil altid være en Pia, en Johnny og en Evensen, But there'll always be a Tom, Dick, and Harry⁵ (comment: Pia must be Pia Kjersgaard, former leader of the "Danish Folkeparti" (hated like the plague by all Danish leftists), "Johnny" Hansen is probably the leader of the local nazi party, and mrs. Evensen was the leader of a rightwing religious group here in Denmark which bought and knocked down a building occupied by a disorganized leftist group) .... general comment: I have made some changes, but by and large you have caught the meaning quite well, and in several cases I'm actually impressed with your translations! I'll let the native Swedes and Norwegians comment on the songs in their languages, but I have noticed with glee that you didn't fall into the trap concerning the word "bot" - which normally means 'boat', but not here (see this article) Edited by Iversen on 29 March 2014 at 1:41pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| DavidStyles Octoglot Pro Member United Kingdom Joined 3735 days ago 82 posts - 179 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, French, Portuguese, Norwegian Studies: Mandarin, Russian, Swedish, Danish, Serbian, Arabic (Egyptian) Personal Language Map | Message 196 of 438 29 March 2014 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the corrections and background information! A couple of thoughts on some of them:
* red - This one was just a typo. I have the bad habit of making phonetic typos of homophones in (or even between) all languages. * wing - Yes, I wondered about whether this ought to be plural, but it seemed like an oddity to me, since one would normally speak of wings in the plural, unless referring specifically to "a broken wing" or such. * turning the nose - I think I misassociated "næsen" with "næsten", couldn't make a translation that worked as "almost", and rendered it instead as "next", given these are usually similar words in form and meaning. * the one [song] about hyancinths - this one had confused me, thanks. * have to go far away - thanks, the common omission of "to go" had slipped my mind, so I went with something that admittedly seemed unlikely in order to find meaning.
Well, an easier mistake to make if one doesn't see the title written down, as "Boten Anna" rather than "Båten Anna". Surely an easy mistake to make though, especially with lines such as "Hon röjer upp i våran kanal" wherein "kanal" could easily be misinterpreted as the waterway - not helped by him singing this line in the music video while peddling a boat on a river / canal :) Edited by DavidStyles on 29 March 2014 at 9:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4667 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 197 of 438 30 March 2014 at 12:35am | IP Logged | ||
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Haha, I remember hearing that song back when it was all the rage -- 2005? -- and I had
no idea what any of that stuff meant; I honestly thought it was about those MSN bots and then a bunch of made up jargon :p "...men jeg får det ikke frem." - "but can't bring myself to say it" is sort of the meaning behind that phrase here. "halvlangt hår" - not necessarily a mullet. Mullet is actually "hockeysveis" Apart from that I don't see any mistakes. Godt jobba! And no, you can't be a teacher at 20. The youngest is 23 for teachers who are teaching year 10 students. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4315 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 198 of 438 30 March 2014 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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Niels Hausgaard - Da jeg var i lære (normalized to rigsdansk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=BpPBbKmAbYw Jeg stod udenfor værkstedet, skiftet dæk på en Fordson Major I stood just outside the garage, changed the wheel rims of a Fordson Major Slog mig selv over fingrene og råbte de forskrækkeligste ord Hit myself on the fingers and shouted the most appaling words (= cursed) Mester kom til, han havde hørt jeg gav hals The foreman came along, he had heard that I screamed (lit. "gave throat") Hvad råber du for knægt? Hvad er der galt? What do you shout for, boy? What's wrong? Han så på min finger. Er det virkelig alt? He looked at my finger. Is this really all? Og så fortalte han om da han var i lære: And thus he told about [the time] when he was in apprenticeship: For da han var i lære, da peb de dæleme ikke for så lidt For when whe was in apprenticeship, then they didn't bloody whine for so little Han skar sig i fingeren og slog sig, så blodet det strit! He slit his finger and hit himself such that the blood was gushing out! Men han tørred blodet af med en klud But he dried the blood with a rag Han klagede sig ikke, sagde aldrig et muk He didn't complain, never said anything Og havde han gjort, ville hans mester komme ud And had he done that, his foreman would've come out og fortælle om da han var i lære: and told about [the time] when he was in apprenticeship: For da han var i lære da fik læredrengene nogen tæsk For when he was in apprenticeship, the apprentices were beaten Også så ryggen den lignede et styk strivret flæsk And the back resembled a piece of striped pork (=whipped back) Men de tog sig ikke af [det], det vænnede de sig til But this didn't cause them any distress, this they got used to Det faldt dem ikke ind at klage sig for det They didn't think about complaining about it Og havde de gjort det, så ville deres mester komme til stede And had they done it, their foreman would have approached them og fortælle om da han var i lære: and told about [the time] when he was in apprenticeship: For da han var i lære da blev læredrengene nemlig slået ihjel For when he was in apprenticeship, the apprentices were even beaten to death Og døde de ikke, så var det nærmest et held And when they didn't die, then it was almost a fortunate coincidence (=they hardly ever survived) De mistede jeres (should be "deres" in rigsdansk) fingre og brækkede jeres (should be "deres" in rigsdansk) arme They lost their fingers and broke their arms De knoklede så ryggen blev ødelagt og lam They toiled such as their back was harmed and paralyzed Og klagede de sig, så blev mester så harm And when they complained, the foreman got so angry og fortalte om da han var i lære. and told about [the time] when he was in apprenticeship. Men når jeg bliver mester og det har jeg bestemt jeg vil være But when I will be foreman, and this I have planned to become, Ooh jeg vil være så god ved de drenge der i lære Oh, I will be so good towards the boys there in apprenticeship Ja de skal selvfølgelig få lært at tage ved Yes they will of course be taught to pitch in Men de vil blivet snakket ordenligt til But they will be spoken to properly Og hvis de så ikke skønner på det And if they won't be grateful vil jeg fortælle om da jeg var i lære. will I tell them about [the time] when I was in apprenticeship. This would have been a lot easier to translate into German -.- Please point out my mistranslations. Edited by daegga on 02 April 2014 at 12:43am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Emme Triglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5141 days ago 980 posts - 1594 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German Studies: Russian, Swedish, French | Message 199 of 438 01 April 2014 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Just a tip-off for those learning Swedish who live in Italy – Sarnek, suzukaze: I’m thinking of you! ;-) – or passing by right now.
Tonight at 21.05 on the free-to-air TV-channel Top Crime, they begin broadcasting the Swedish series Wallander. Top Crime usually offers the possibility to listen to the original audio, so there’s the chance we may be able to follow the series in Swedish. There exist three different Wallander series, two in Swedish and one in English. The title character has been portrayed by Rolf Lassgård, Krister Henriksson, and Kenneth Branagh respectively. The one starting tonight stars Krister Henriksson. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6703 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 200 of 438 01 April 2014 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sadly, no Danish/Norwegian song for me during last month. Maybe I'll try to catch up within a week or two (I've been very busy with Irish, Old Irish included).
The closest thing to recent Scandinavian studies is only a few days old, when I joined the local society for Gutnish. I've also started reading a story in the two living dialect forms. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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