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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4662 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 41 of 256 07 August 2012 at 10:22pm | IP Logged |
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(testing, testing :-)
W/E 2012-JUL-29. 29h. Kanji at 1600. Looking at my log it looks like audio, RTK and a little Minna No Nihongo this week. (EDIT: My weeks end on Sunday!) Edited by dampingwire on 07 August 2012 at 10:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4662 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 42 of 256 07 August 2012 at 10:35pm | IP Logged |
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W/E 2012-08-05. 34h.
The usual audio plus lots of RTK. I'm really pleased to say that I've now been through the 2042 Kanji of RTK1. Quite how they're managing to stick I don't know, but mostly they are. Last week my tutor started to go through the N5 kanji with me. With no preparation (i.e. no specific learning of vocab, just RTK) I got all but one of the questions right for the first 3 chapters. I'm beginning to believe in the power of RTK. Once I get the reviews under control (250+ per day right now) I'll get back onto memrise, turn the Kanji back on and start to get the N5 vocabulary learned properly. I'm so glad that this forum is back :-) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4662 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 43 of 256 13 August 2012 at 11:49pm | IP Logged |
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W/E 2012-08-12. 21h.
Four days away from home. I managed to keep my Kanji reviews under control by putting some time in at the beginning and end of the period away. By the end of the week there were ~200 kanji to review each day. Right now there are 205 in bucket #1 (i.e. 205 Kanji that I've only remembered one time in a row ... so that's ~1800 that I've remembered at least twice in a row). All this Kanji is proving quite helpful now as my tutor is pushing through an N5 revision book at quite a pace. I'm still working through the JPOD 101 audio - although my study time has felt quite limited this week. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4662 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 44 of 256 20 August 2012 at 9:06pm | IP Logged |
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W/E 2012-08-19 25h.
Kanji reviews now under control @ ~45m each day. Currently 137 entries in bucket #1. I'm also managing about 80% correct on the first pass. Audio progressing as before. I think I'm beginning to recognise more spoken Japanese through the haze - well @ over 450h total study time I think I probably should be :-) I've restarted memrise, this time with Kanji. I'm working on getting the N5 vocab garden fully watered. Once that is in place I'll start on the other gardens I have going and begin to spend more time on Minna No Nihongo and also concentrating on SRS- ing sentences from JPOD101 lessons. Overall I'm feeling quite positive. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4662 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 45 of 256 27 August 2012 at 11:11pm | IP Logged |
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W/E 2012-08-26 20h
Kanji reviews still ~40m per day. 74 entries in bucket #1 and I'm managing to remember ~85% on the first pass. I've just got three seasons of the JPOD101 audio to do a first pass listen to: under 40 episodes. After that, rather than move onto Intermediate, I'll go back and SRS the various Beginner (and maybe Absolute Beginner) series and see how that helps with vocabulary. I'm now more actively working through Minna No Nihongo. I'm going to do a first pass through the 25 chapters, concentrating on vocabulary. In parallel with that I'm going to work on internalising the various verb conjugations (I expect that they're in MNN but I want them in my head now to make my life easier). After that I'll do a second pass, SRSing the vocabulary and sentences etc. I'm hoping to have the first pass done in a few weeks (certainly by the end of September). Memrise with Kanji is now a regular part of my daily learning. I'm still consolidating what I already had (this time with Kanji) but I'll start on the N4 vocabulary soon. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5181 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 46 of 256 28 August 2012 at 1:23am | IP Logged |
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Congratulations on finishing RTK once through. It took me a lot longer to achieve that feat. I find it
extrememly useful tough and I'm reviewing it again. Stuff I haven't seen for 6 months is a little rusty unfortunately. I think the RTK really helps when you starting on the Chinese words and there's multiple kanji per word. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6617 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 47 of 256 28 August 2012 at 8:15am | IP Logged |
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I was sure I had read you log before, but somehow I must have missed it since none of it seemed familiar. Now I've read it through from the beginning. Fortunately for me, it isn't too long yet.
I loved your term 油を売る in your first post. I like to "collect" idioms and interesting expressions like that. If you're still using Tae Kim, there is a free app for that, in case you didn't know already. At least, I think it's free. It was when I got it earlier this year. You were also asking about iKnow. Actually, I believe iKnow and smart.fm are the same thing. They just seem to change the name back and forth. Anyway, I have a one-year subscription and I love it. It seems quite different than Anki, but I'm not sure how to explain the difference. I'm on the core 4000 right now and am finding it very helpful. It's also a very pleasant and enjoyable way to learn, almost like a game. It suits a lazy person like me perfectly. Just one warning: if you sign up and like it and then decide to renew your subscription, wait until your old one runs out. For some reason, when you renew, they don't tack it on to your old subscription, they just start from scratch so you lose whatever you had left of your old subscription. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| rewire Groupie United States learninglane.tumblr.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4544 days ago 82 posts - 90 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 48 of 256 28 August 2012 at 7:02pm | IP Logged |
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RE: iKnow vs Anki...
iKnow used to be smart.fm (and free), but a couple years ago they were acquired by Cerego and Cerego changed the name to iKnow and sort of stripped it for a while and required subscriptions. Partly the difference from Anki and iKnow is that iKnow has preset courses. They come in sets of 1000 words split into 10 levels of 100, basically, so you don't have to set up your own decks if you don't want to. There is an option for custom courses, but I've never used it, so I couldn't tell you much about it. What I find I value iKnow for is that all the preset decks are really complete with written/spelling/meaning and at least one example sentence and a picture mnemonic with audio recordings of both the individual word and the sentence by native Japanese speakers in (usually) pretty quality audio. And then it walks you through various types of reviews to test your ability to recognize the word just by sound or on sight or figure it out in the context of a sentence, and then of course is using an SRS algorithm to judge when you need to review a word. If you're motivated by things like badges or visual chart data, it's kind of nice that it tells you when you've "mastered" a certain level of words or reached a certain amount of hours of study and graphs your progress by how many items you reviewed per day on charts, etc (though I think Anki can do that part too?). There's also Dictation practice checkpoints (I'm not entirely sure if you can just do Dictation on its own-- I'm lazy and haven't tried), and the Brainspeed game which is kind of a review/speed tool + game, where the goal is "keep the owl afloat by answering questions quickly" basically. They're starting to add (back?) more community-oriented features, too, so you can kind of see other people's stats, so if you're a bit more competition-oriented, I suppose that could be good too, heh. So personally I find it worth it because I'm also a bit lazy and just don't want to have to deal with making my own cards that include all those features and review in a similar way, ahah. As I generally don't even take advantage of things like Brainspeed. But I think it can also be more motivational for people who find it easier in a more "game" setup with rewards or like community-oriented sites, but your mileage may vary. The mobile apps are decent, too, though. I've used both the Android and the iPhone apps. ... Sorry that got super long and is possibly more than you cared to know. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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